MSUK licence now mandatory for all events

MSUK licence now mandatory for all events

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Allan L

442 posts

52 months

Saturday 9th November
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velocemitch said:
We all know this is insurance driven, but as is not exactly unusual for MSUk, their response is out of proportion. A flat increase of the same figure on every permit seems like a pretty silly approach to the problem. Especially when it is quite obvious that will hit the low budget side of the sport hardest. It’s also pretty obvious that those types of event are the least likely to end up with a large claim!.
There was a time when the folk who controlled UK's motorsport were current participants, or retired from participating in the sport they controlled. Some decades ago when negotiating about the number of starters permitted for handicap races at Club Silverstone it was obvious that the RAC-MSA chap I was talking to didn't know what handicap racing was. Foolishly I asked him which motor sport discipline he was from, only to be told they were not allowed to be involved as it might result in unfair bias!

I suspect the current licence idea is insurance-driven because the person who negotiated the insurance did so without enough understanding of the lower tiers of our sport, so got a deal that could, if we are not careful, wreck a lot of what we do.

However, those who advocate cutting loose from RAC-MSA (t/a MSUk) must arrange suitable insurance somehow and that would be too expensive to make financial sense. As for the potential for a large claim from a low level event, we used to cite an accident at an un-marshalled level crossing which derailed an express train travelling at speed. Still relevant I think.

Kraken

1,232 posts

147 months

Saturday 9th November
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DelicaL400 said:
Because if 8 million folk apply for the free licence then there'll either be a charge for it the year after or clubs will get shafted even more on fees. MSUK do nowt for free.
Go and form your own motor racing association then if you think everyone else is in it just to shaft you. The changes MSUK have made in the last year and the new changes have and will save me a large amount of money.

carl_w

6,301 posts

205 months

Saturday 9th November
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Allan L said:
However, those who advocate cutting loose from RAC-MSA (t/a MSUk) must arrange suitable insurance somehow and that would be too expensive to make financial sense.
Yet Javelin seem to make it work with their Sprint Series. Presumably they also have suitable insurance?

Drumroll

1,521 posts

67 months

Sunday 10th November
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carl_w said:
Yet Javelin seem to make it work with their Sprint Series. Presumably they also have suitable insurance?
True, but I bet you would struggle to get insurance for auto tests etc that tend to use car parks etc as cheaply as MUK do.

velocemitch

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2,733 posts

167 months

Sunday 10th November
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Drumroll said:
carl_w said:
Yet Javelin seem to make it work with their Sprint Series. Presumably they also have suitable insurance?
True, but I bet you would struggle to get insurance for auto tests etc that tend to use car parks etc as cheaply as MUK do.
I think the other barrier to alternative organisations setting up is related to the road traffic act.
When the extended the act to give the powers to prosecute drivers speeding on private land etc such as car parks ( from the time when the Cruze meets got popular) certain organisations were granted permission to allow them to voided for the purpose of motorsport. MSA obviously did, but I’m told so did the Land Rover club. They are now talking about breaking away from MSUk to run their comp safari’s and Hill Rallies etc outside of MSUK.

Not sure how Javelin do it, but expect as they usually use a licensed motorsport facility it’s not a problem.

df76

1,999 posts

225 months

Sunday 10th November
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Bet that javelin provide competitors with zero public liability cover. It’ll be in the small print when you sign on for the day.

Bricol

140 posts

114 months

Monday 11th November
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This is interesting:

http://www.iopd.org.uk/

At the bottom of the page is a list of organisations allowed to issue permits for events to run. might well be worth checking the cost of joining and for permits for club events.

For smaller clubs, the effect of the adding a fiver to an 8 quid entry fee will mean potential newcomers may well decide to pass.

If the MSA (or whatever they have expensively rebranded as this week) is serious about promoting grassroots motorsport, then subsidising those grassroots clubs from the a tiny percentage addition to higher cost events would have made more sense.

Drumroll

1,521 posts

67 months

Monday 11th November
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Bricol said:
This is interesting:

http://www.iopd.org.uk/

At the bottom of the page is a list of organisations allowed to issue permits for events to run. might well be worth checking the cost of joining and for permits for club events.

For smaller clubs, the effect of the adding a fiver to an 8 quid entry fee will mean potential newcomers may well decide to pass.

If the MSA (or whatever they have expensively rebranded as this week) is serious about promoting grassroots motorsport, then subsidising those grassroots clubs from the a tiny percentage addition to higher cost events would have made more sense.
Yes it may be possible to do that, but not convinced it would work out cheaper. For a start you would have to write your own regulations etc. Whilst you may be able to get that all important insurance, will it give you the same cover the MUK one does? Will it provide sickness cover for marshals etc. More importantly how much protection will the organising group get in terms of personal liability if things go wrong?
You talk about promoting grass roots sport but if you moved away from MUK where is the progression?

velocemitch

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2,733 posts

167 months

Monday 11th November
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As I mentioned the Land Rover club are on the list and they are big enough and specialist enough to run on their own, so I think that will happen. The Motor Cycle clubs are already separate and go their own way. The Traction engine club might be a bit of stretch.... Bear in mind also anything being run on the public road, even non competitive links like Targa and Stage rallying can only be organised by MSUK as they are the only one allowed under the old RTA from decades ago.

I do think MSUK should keep the grass roots side and my feeling is its all about balance, they have applied extra costs evenly rather than proportionately and few of the savings like other areas might be seeing apply.