Uk club racing after covid19?

Uk club racing after covid19?

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n3il123

2,607 posts

213 months

Wednesday 29th July 2020
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No spectators at Donington BTCC this weekend frown

Kraken

1,710 posts

200 months

Wednesday 29th July 2020
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Very late decision from the Government to class BTCC as elite sport.

n3il123

2,607 posts

213 months

Wednesday 29th July 2020
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Not really fair as it makes donington/msv look like the bad guys. Guessing it will be the same for bsb, although GTs may be ok?

LucyP

1,698 posts

59 months

Wednesday 29th July 2020
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No it won't. You can buy BSB tickets here: https://doningtonpark.msv.com/DP-20-BSB/Admission-...

BTCC is a BARC series. BSB is an MSV series and they have a very different approach to spectators at the moment.

n3il123

2,607 posts

213 months

Wednesday 29th July 2020
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LucyP said:
No it won't. You can buy BSB tickets here: https://doningtonpark.msv.com/DP-20-BSB/Admission-...

BTCC is a BARC series. BSB is an MSV series and they have a very different approach to spectators at the moment.
More than aware of that, you could buy btcc tickets today, it was the government classifying btcc as an elite sport that prevents spectators.

The assumption being that bsb will be classified the same.

LucyP

1,698 posts

59 months

Wednesday 29th July 2020
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Nothing should be assumed with BSB. BTCC is just circuit hire for MSV. BSB is theirs. They will be lobbying hard for it to go ahead with reduced numbers of spectators.

It's a bizarre government decision anyway. You can go to Alton Towers for example, and go on a ride, which must be more risky than standing at a circuit, whilst keeping 2 metres from other spectators and having no access to the paddock, which is the MSV argument.

Edited by LucyP on Wednesday 29th July 23:42

ch37

10,642 posts

221 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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So, for example...

a) safety protocols, limited to 5k spectators, BTCC

b) safety protocols, limited to 5k spectators, generic UK club championship

A is banned, but B is OK?!

mcdjl

5,446 posts

195 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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You all seem to be assuming that there's logic to the government's decision beyond being seen to do something.

ch37

10,642 posts

221 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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mcdjl said:
You all seem to be assuming that there's logic to the government's decision beyond being seen to do something.
I do wonder if 'on telly = elite sport'

Club events can happen quietly in their own bubble (even though many circuits are choosing not to have spectators yet), most of the country don't know they even exist.

However, put a motorsport event on TV where compressed camera angles are naturally going to make it look like people are close together (2m is nothing through a telephoto lens) and all of a sudden the pressure from other sports, opposition MPs, the public etc starts kicking in. Do that on the British GP weekend and you're seen to be clueless and making it up as you go along...


Edited by ch37 on Thursday 30th July 08:13

Truckosaurus

11,253 posts

284 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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ch37 said:
I do wonder if 'on telly = elite sport'
That was my thinking too.

The only sports they government really need worry about is the higher levels of football and rugby where you have a boisterous crowd in a confined space. Other sports can, other than a few larger events, easily social distance in the open air but the more these are seen on tv the man-on-the-street will want to know why football is still behind closed doors.

geeks

9,164 posts

139 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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ch37 said:
So, for example...

a) safety protocols, limited to 5k spectators, BTCC

b) safety protocols, limited to 5k spectators, generic UK club championship

A is banned, but B is OK?!
One will have 5k spectators, the other will have 5 spectators!

F12 Josh

820 posts

142 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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Not sure what the other MSV circuits are like but Cadwell was really busy this weekend just gone which was "just" a 1 day club car meeting, no way would it have got that kind of crowd last year.


coppice

8,599 posts

144 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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It was around the Mountain - but I still had loads of breathing room at my favourite viewing spot - you can guess where that it is ..

ch37

10,642 posts

221 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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geeks said:
One will have 5k spectators, the other will have 5 spectators!
A typical club event at Castle Combe, predominantly made up of home championships, will comfortably challenge some national motorsport events in the UK for spectator numbers. I do wonder if that's why they have taken the current view they have re: no spectators. More so given there will be pent-up demand from people starved of spectator motorsport this year. Add in good weather and they could easily end up with a serious problem.

Even the 'action days' (glorified public track days) attract 5 figure attendance numbers at Combe. They were getting 15k at Japfest before it simply got too big for the circuit.


Edited by ch37 on Thursday 30th July 10:51

geeks

9,164 posts

139 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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ch37 said:
geeks said:
One will have 5k spectators, the other will have 5 spectators!
A typical club event at Castle Combe, predominantly made up of home championships, will comfortably challenge some national motorsport events in the UK for spectator numbers. I do wonder if that's why they have taken the current view they have re: no spectators. More so given there will be pent-up demand from people starved of spectator motorsport this year. Add in good weather and they could easily end up with a serious problem.

Even the 'action days' (glorified public track days) attract 5 figure attendance numbers at Combe. They were getting 15k at Japfest before it simply got too big for the circuit.


Edited by ch37 on Thursday 30th July 10:51
I have spent a lot of time at Combe, yes the spectator numbers can be very good (I think the specialised events will always attract good numbers because of the various "scenes") but club motorsport weekends attendance can vary wildly year on year/meeting to meeting, Combe are pretty special as they make a point of engaging the local community, but typically at a majority of circuits, spectators are not really much of a thing outside of friends and family!

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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ch37 said:
A typical club event at Castle Combe, predominantly made up of home championships, will comfortably challenge some national motorsport events in the UK for spectator numbers. I do wonder if that's why they have taken the current view they have re: no spectators. More so given there will be pent-up demand from people starved of spectator motorsport this year. Add in good weather and they could easily end up with a serious problem.

Even the 'action days' (glorified public track days) attract 5 figure attendance numbers at Combe. They were getting 15k at Japfest before it simply got too big for the circuit.


Edited by ch37 on Thursday 30th July 10:51
It may be due to how open to the public the pit area is. No way to seperate the competitors from the public compared to other circuits that have enclosed pits and padocks?

Order66

6,728 posts

249 months

Friday 14th August 2020
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So I've got a double-header event due soon and have been told that facemasks have to be worn from entry to the venue until exiting. Over the weekend that means north of 18 hours with the mask on. Even if I'm parked a looooong distance from other competitors and on my lonesome, and never indoors.

To be honest it's putting me off entering. I will be honest and say I dislike the masks and have very slight claustrophobia/anxiety which makes me uncomfortable over an extended period with them.

Is this a MUK directive? If it is I can't see in it any of their online documents. Is it common to all other club racing in the UK? I don't see the same regulation being applied to track days etc.

df76

3,627 posts

278 months

Friday 14th August 2020
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Order66 said:
So I've got a double-header event due soon and have been told that facemasks have to be worn from entry to the venue until exiting. Over the weekend that means north of 18 hours with the mask on. Even if I'm parked a looooong distance from other competitors and on my lonesome, and never indoors.

To be honest it's putting me off entering. I will be honest and say I dislike the masks and have very slight claustrophobia/anxiety which makes me uncomfortable over an extended period with them.

Is this a MUK directive? If it is I can't see in it any of their online documents. Is it common to all other club racing in the UK? I don't see the same regulation being applied to track days etc.
Makes absolutely no sense and will probably do more harm than good (as masks get wet). Who's the organising club?? Not seen anything like that written in any other Instructions.

Drumroll

3,755 posts

120 months

Friday 14th August 2020
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Clubs and venues have their own requirements. MSUK have put down their requirements, but nothing stopping the clubs and venues putting stricter requirements. They will/should be guided by their Medical Officer.

mcdjl

5,446 posts

195 months

Friday 14th August 2020
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Which circuit/ club? I've only done one event back marshalling and it wasn't anywhere near that strict!