Racing Abroad - Brexit vs movement of vehicles..
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This looks to be a bit of a potential problem.
https://www.motorsportuk.org/movement-of-motorspor...
Aware that the CSCC are already looking at possible affordable "solutions". Fingers crossed.
https://www.motorsportuk.org/movement-of-motorspor...
Aware that the CSCC are already looking at possible affordable "solutions". Fingers crossed.
I recall reading somewhere else a while back that you will need some document for the trailer and possibly/probably an operators license - if you are going to tow the race car there - not 100% sure if I recall this correctly
Hopefully there will be something worked out in the meantime
Hopefully there will be something worked out in the meantime
It all seems rather unclear, and why should only "motorsport vehicles", whatever that is construed as be targeted ?
What about people towing caravans ? Or in general bringing absolutely anything from UK to Europe, or visa versa ?
And what is this so called insurance actually covering ?
Hell, lorries bring trailers over all the time and goods, they certainly need paperwork form the goods....so why not also the trailers ?
What about people towing caravans ? Or in general bringing absolutely anything from UK to Europe, or visa versa ?
And what is this so called insurance actually covering ?
Hell, lorries bring trailers over all the time and goods, they certainly need paperwork form the goods....so why not also the trailers ?
stevieturbo said:
It all seems rather unclear, and why should only "motorsport vehicles", whatever that is construed as be targeted ?
What about people towing caravans ? Or in general bringing absolutely anything from UK to Europe, or visa versa ?
And what is this so called insurance actually covering ?
Hell, lorries bring trailers over all the time and goods, they certainly need paperwork form the goods....so why not also the trailers ?
Suspect that it'll cover everything that could potentially be sold. Any business would have to have the additional paperwork in place now, and they will just pass the extra cost onto the consumer. Will a family towing a caravan be treated differently from someone towing a race car across the channel? I reckon that they might. What about people towing caravans ? Or in general bringing absolutely anything from UK to Europe, or visa versa ?
And what is this so called insurance actually covering ?
Hell, lorries bring trailers over all the time and goods, they certainly need paperwork form the goods....so why not also the trailers ?
stevieturbo said:
It all seems rather unclear, and why should only "motorsport vehicles", whatever that is construed as be targeted ?
What about people towing caravans ? Or in general bringing absolutely anything from UK to Europe, or visa versa ?
And what is this so called insurance actually covering ?
Hell, lorries bring trailers over all the time and goods, they certainly need paperwork form the goods....so why not also the trailers ?
I don't think it's as unclear as you think. If you are taking a thing to euro-land to sell you need to pay taxes and duties to do that. If you are taking something to bring back, you have to get an ATA Carnet which has a duration. If you don't bring it back by the end of the carnet, you have to pay a fee (possibly quite a large one). So you either lodge some money (40% of the value) which gets stung if you fail to bring the thing back, or you buy an insurance to cover the fee that will pay out if you default and don't bring the thing back.What about people towing caravans ? Or in general bringing absolutely anything from UK to Europe, or visa versa ?
And what is this so called insurance actually covering ?
Hell, lorries bring trailers over all the time and goods, they certainly need paperwork form the goods....so why not also the trailers ?
Simple but for a one-off weekend racing my Elan at the HSCC races at the Spa 6 hour, will probably add too much to the cost.
Bert
majordad said:
I remember in the 60s family caravan holidays from the Republic of Ireland into and out of the UK, we needed tons of documents. We’re going back to that now.
This unfortunately is true.Don't forget the international driving license the health insurance and the green card(not always free) while you are totting up the extra costs.
Now where can i find a brexiteer to reimburse me as I'm supposed to be better off with brexit.
You don't need an international driving licence to take your car and caravan say to France on holiday. If you have a normal photocard UK licence, and who hasn't, that is fine.
You need a green card from your insurer. They will send you an e-mail which you can print, and no it doesn't have to be on green paper, but whoever relied on that 3rd party cover anyway? Most people always contacted their insurer to get comprehensive cover for driving abroad for two weeks etc.
You will need a GB sticker.
You are also supposed to take your V5 registration document.
The RAC have said that they are continuing with European breakdown cover, so no change there.
The European health card cover is continuing as before, but again, who relied on that, and who didn't get some travel insurance cover, which costs next to nothing.
So nothing has changed really. You don't need folders full of documents and you don't need to spend any more money than before Brexit.
You need a green card from your insurer. They will send you an e-mail which you can print, and no it doesn't have to be on green paper, but whoever relied on that 3rd party cover anyway? Most people always contacted their insurer to get comprehensive cover for driving abroad for two weeks etc.
You will need a GB sticker.
You are also supposed to take your V5 registration document.
The RAC have said that they are continuing with European breakdown cover, so no change there.
The European health card cover is continuing as before, but again, who relied on that, and who didn't get some travel insurance cover, which costs next to nothing.
So nothing has changed really. You don't need folders full of documents and you don't need to spend any more money than before Brexit.
LucyP said:
You don't need an international driving licence to take your car and caravan say to France on holiday. If you have a normal photocard UK licence, and who hasn't, that is fine.
You need a green card from your insurer. They will send you an e-mail which you can print, and no it doesn't have to be on green paper, but whoever relied on that 3rd party cover anyway? Most people always contacted their insurer to get comprehensive cover for driving abroad for two weeks etc.
You will need a GB sticker.
You are also supposed to take your V5 registration document.
The RAC have said that they are continuing with European breakdown cover, so no change there.
The European health card cover is continuing as before, but again, who relied on that, and who didn't get some travel insurance cover, which costs next to nothing.
So nothing has changed really. You don't need folders full of documents and you don't need to spend any more money than before Brexit.
Thats fine for just driving a car to the EU, but the OP is asking about towing a race car there and back, so with your all seeing eye, what are the regulations / paperwork required to take a race car and trailor (or boat, caravan etc) into an EU countryYou need a green card from your insurer. They will send you an e-mail which you can print, and no it doesn't have to be on green paper, but whoever relied on that 3rd party cover anyway? Most people always contacted their insurer to get comprehensive cover for driving abroad for two weeks etc.
You will need a GB sticker.
You are also supposed to take your V5 registration document.
The RAC have said that they are continuing with European breakdown cover, so no change there.
The European health card cover is continuing as before, but again, who relied on that, and who didn't get some travel insurance cover, which costs next to nothing.
So nothing has changed really. You don't need folders full of documents and you don't need to spend any more money than before Brexit.
LucyP said:
You don't need an international driving licence to take your car and caravan say to France on holiday. If you have a normal photocard UK licence, and who hasn't, that is fine.
You need a green card from your insurer. They will send you an e-mail which you can print, and no it doesn't have to be on green paper, but whoever relied on that 3rd party cover anyway? Most people always contacted their insurer to get comprehensive cover for driving abroad for two weeks etc.
You will need a GB sticker.
You are also supposed to take your V5 registration document.
The RAC have said that they are continuing with European breakdown cover, so no change there.
The European health card cover is continuing as before, but again, who relied on that, and who didn't get some travel insurance cover, which costs next to nothing.
So nothing has changed really. You don't need folders full of documents and you don't need to spend any more money than before Brexit.
Not according to my brokerYou need a green card from your insurer. They will send you an e-mail which you can print, and no it doesn't have to be on green paper, but whoever relied on that 3rd party cover anyway? Most people always contacted their insurer to get comprehensive cover for driving abroad for two weeks etc.
You will need a GB sticker.
You are also supposed to take your V5 registration document.
The RAC have said that they are continuing with European breakdown cover, so no change there.
The European health card cover is continuing as before, but again, who relied on that, and who didn't get some travel insurance cover, which costs next to nothing.
So nothing has changed really. You don't need folders full of documents and you don't need to spend any more money than before Brexit.
Burrow01 said:
Thats fine for just driving a car to the EU, but the OP is asking about towing a race car there and back, so with your all seeing eye, what are the regulations / paperwork required to take a race car and trailor (or boat, caravan etc) into an EU country
MSUK have the advice on their website as to how to do that. https://www.motorsportuk.org/movement-of-motorspor...
They are right about the ATA carnet for the actual racing car, you just have to be careful and bring the car back to the UK, and not to sell the car to a Belgian with money burning a hole in his pocket after the race!
As for the car and trailer, then it depends on the the gross vehicle weight and what you are doing. If the GVW is over 3.5 tonnes, then you may need an operator's licence if you are carrying goods as part of a trade or a business.
If you are towing a Brian James race transporter behind your BMW X5, to take part in a track day, then you are unlikely to need an operator's licence.
If you are Williams F1, taking all your trucks to participate in the GP at Imola, then you will!
BertBert said:
I don't think it's as unclear as you think. If you are taking a thing to euro-land to sell you need to pay taxes and duties to do that. If you are taking something to bring back, you have to get an ATA Carnet which has a duration. If you don't bring it back by the end of the carnet, you have to pay a fee (possibly quite a large one). So you either lodge some money (40% of the value) which gets stung if you fail to bring the thing back, or you buy an insurance to cover the fee that will pay out if you default and don't bring the thing back.
Simple but for a one-off weekend racing my Elan at the HSCC races at the Spa 6 hour, will probably add too much to the cost.
Bert
So again, what exactly is a motorsport vehicle ? and if it largely relates to bringing goods you might sell across a border as nonsense as it is....will this apply to everyone who brings items of value they could sell across their border ?Simple but for a one-off weekend racing my Elan at the HSCC races at the Spa 6 hour, will probably add too much to the cost.
Bert
Cars, bikes, caravans, jewellery, clothing, your underwear ? This list goes on of items that could potentially be sold on.
Surely all of this would even need to apply to a vehicle anyone drives across a border ? Hell...even flying a plane across a border ?
BertBert said:
I assume that at the border the customs people will just look at a car on a trailer and deal with it as if it's being imported unless you produce a carnet
But they assume you're not importing the trailer ? the vehicle you're driving ? the contents of your vehicle ? the goods in your vehicle ? the clothes on your back ?It makes zero sense.
majordad said:
Yes , it will apply to any item of value you could sell while away, unless the EU and GB make exemptions to the rules.
Someone has referenced to Clinger from the TV Series Mash who sent home all the bits of a Jeep one by one until he had a complete Jeep there.
So if you go on holiday you have to do similar for everything you bring with you ?Someone has referenced to Clinger from the TV Series Mash who sent home all the bits of a Jeep one by one until he had a complete Jeep there.
Let's face it, you could sell absolutely anything when you're away, or buy anything.
Just bizarre and greedy to yet again target motorists.
If you want the info from the UK Gov site look here https://www.gov.uk/driving-abroad
It does say caravans and trailers will need their own Green card and you may have to register it before you go.
Trailers that have to be registered
You must register your trailer if you will be towing it through these countries.
This applies to all:
commercial trailers over 750kg gross weight
non-commercial trailers over 3,500kg gross weight
This means that these trailers making international journeys will need to:
display their own registration plate (separate from the vehicle towing them)
have a trailer registration certificate that can be shown to a foreign authority on request
It costs:
£26 to register a trailer for the first time
£21 to issue a new registration certificate for a new registered keeper
£10 for a replacement UK trailer registration certificate
It does say caravans and trailers will need their own Green card and you may have to register it before you go.
Trailers that have to be registered
You must register your trailer if you will be towing it through these countries.
This applies to all:
commercial trailers over 750kg gross weight
non-commercial trailers over 3,500kg gross weight
This means that these trailers making international journeys will need to:
display their own registration plate (separate from the vehicle towing them)
have a trailer registration certificate that can be shown to a foreign authority on request
It costs:
£26 to register a trailer for the first time
£21 to issue a new registration certificate for a new registered keeper
£10 for a replacement UK trailer registration certificate
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