Racing LSX Cerb?

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Erich Stahler

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Monday 23rd June 2008
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Imagine a Cerb, stripped down, full FIA cag LS2 Chevy, flat floor ground effect (getting carried away now)
In what classes would it be eligible to race, GT cup would be good but don't think rules permit different engine.

Tuscan/Sagaris challenge looks like it would be permitted (Sagaris bodied LSX powered Tuscan racers seem to be the rage at the moment!) but I don't know how far you could go with aero mods and I guess you would not be in the same handling league as the aforementioned Sagarises, Sagari, or whatever the hell the plural is!

Any other race classes that a Cerb thus equipped might be eligible for? i liked the idea of the GT Cup with a view to mixing it with other makes, Porsche, ferrari's etc. I am a big fan of the AJP8 engine, but with it becoming scarce would make sense to go the LSX route for any serious racing as the sagaris racers are starting to do.

Purely Hypothetical question at the moment, but building a sodding great big garage at the moment, so who knows!!!!

sfaulds

653 posts

278 months

Tuesday 24th June 2008
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Sounds perfect for Class 2 in Britcarwink

teamHOLDENracing

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267 months

Tuesday 24th June 2008
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There are no LS engined Sagaris running in the TVR series at the moment, although you could run one there.

An LS engined Cerb could also run in that series. If it were in Britcar or Dutch Supercar you would most likely be looking at Class 1 not 2, unless the power output was verey low or the car was very heavy.

Whilst GT Cup grids are good I suspect the car would not be welcome. The Sagaris is too quick for that series as it curently stands - that is the main issue rather than regs/eligibiity.

jellison

12,803 posts

277 months

Tuesday 24th June 2008
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Erich - I love a man with a large Garage;)

Erich Stahler

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Tuesday 24th June 2008
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jellison said:
Erich - I love a man with a large Garage;)
Jon, your out of control, give you an aircraft hanger and I bet you could fill it up with WIP car projects in no time, come to think of it, so could I! smile

Erich Stahler

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Tuesday 24th June 2008
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teamHOLDENracing said:
Whilst GT Cup grids are good I suspect the car would not be welcome. The Sagaris is too quick for that series as it curently stands - that is the main issue rather than regs/eligibiity.
Maybe they would with a handicap like balast or restrictors?

jellison

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277 months

Tuesday 24th June 2008
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Erich Stahler said:
teamHOLDENracing said:
Whilst GT Cup grids are good I suspect the car would not be welcome. The Sagaris is too quick for that series as it curently stands - that is the main issue rather than regs/eligibiity.
Maybe they would with a handicap like balast or restrictors?
How about an S1 RWD Quattro with TT LSx power!

You coming to any Thoroughbred races to cheer on the TR boys;)

Erich Stahler

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Tuesday 24th June 2008
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jellison said:
Erich Stahler said:
teamHOLDENracing said:
Whilst GT Cup grids are good I suspect the car would not be welcome. The Sagaris is too quick for that series as it curently stands - that is the main issue rather than regs/eligibiity.
Maybe they would with a handicap like balast or restrictors?
How about an S1 RWD Quattro with TT LSx power!

You coming to any Thoroughbred races to cheer on the TR boys;)
Jon, next time there is a meeting at Brands or Goodwood I will pop along.

jellison

12,803 posts

277 months

Tuesday 24th June 2008
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Erich Stahler said:
jellison said:
Erich Stahler said:
teamHOLDENracing said:
Whilst GT Cup grids are good I suspect the car would not be welcome. The Sagaris is too quick for that series as it curently stands - that is the main issue rather than regs/eligibiity.
Maybe they would with a handicap like balast or restrictors?
How about an S1 RWD Quattro with TT LSx power!

You coming to any Thoroughbred races to cheer on the TR boys;)
Jon, next time there is a meeting at Brands or Goodwood I will pop along.
07.09.08 Brands MGCC (Goodwood - I wish) - only race is the Festival! (They Hate Noise there, unless it is some exotic at the Festival then atht can run open piped - one rule for the plbs and one for the uber wedged).

Put it in you diary.

teamHOLDENracing

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Tuesday 24th June 2008
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Erich Stahler said:
teamHOLDENracing said:
Whilst GT Cup grids are good I suspect the car would not be welcome. The Sagaris is too quick for that series as it curently stands - that is the main issue rather than regs/eligibiity.
Maybe they would with a handicap like balast or restrictors?
Bolting 200kg of lead onto a car is difficult to do safely. Marc is understandably nervous about an 'unconventional' car p1ssing off into the distance, so he'd need to be pretty sure about the performance of any such car before he would allow it in.

It is not the easiest of changes - you can't just chuck a new engine in.

Erich Stahler

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Tuesday 24th June 2008
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teamHOLDENracing said:
Erich Stahler said:
teamHOLDENracing said:
Whilst GT Cup grids are good I suspect the car would not be welcome. The Sagaris is too quick for that series as it curently stands - that is the main issue rather than regs/eligibiity.
Maybe they would with a handicap like balast or restrictors?
Bolting 200kg of lead onto a car is difficult to do safely. Marc is understandably nervous about an 'unconventional' car p1ssing off into the distance, so he'd need to be pretty sure about the performance of any such car before he would allow it in.

It is not the easiest of changes - you can't just chuck a new engine in.
Im sure its not that easy, just pondering what may or may not be possible.
Buy the way was just reading about your car in the June copy of Sprint, looks fabulous, hope it all goes well for you.

jellison

12,803 posts

277 months

Wednesday 25th June 2008
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I though the LS Sag was about the same lap times as the Moslers?

No real clue what Britcar is though;)

teamHOLDENracing

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267 months

Wednesday 25th June 2008
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Thanks Eric - its getting there.

The GT Cup benchmark car for its top class is the 997 GT3 Cup car. An AJP engined Sagaris from last year was already significantly quicker, so the LS engined cars will be far too quick.

Britcar is simply governed by a 400 bhp / tonne at the rear wheels maximum PTW ratio

Erich Stahler

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Wednesday 25th June 2008
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teamHOLDENracing said:
Thanks Eric - its getting there.

The GT Cup benchmark car for its top class is the 997 GT3 Cup car. An AJP engined Sagaris from last year was already significantly quicker, so the LS engined cars will be far too quick.

Britcar is simply governed by a 400 bhp / tonne at the rear wheels maximum PTW ratio
So, if it's not giving any trade secrets away, is the amazing handling mainly down to how you have setup your chassis, your particular aero set-up or the more aero efficient shape of the Sagaris body shell? Im guessing its a combination of all of these?

teamHOLDENracing

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267 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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The chassis is certainly stiffer thanks to a more comprehensive rollcage. The aero works well and gives us a huge amount of rear end grip so essentially in the Sagaris we have Tuscan power but with a lot more grip. There is nothing trick or complex about what we have done - the Tuscan was a really good starting point, although the front part of the chassis remains pretty flexible. If we were able to install a front brace a la T400 it would
make a massive difference. That remains in the 'too difficult category'

Versus the opposition we benefit from lower weight - it is always easier to accelerate and deccelerate a light car v a heavy car - we can brake far later than a 997 and corner quicker, we put less strain on the tyres etc etc..