Immobiliser / alarm sanoiy check for IVA
Discussion
Hi all,
a late friday sanity check please.
1. Can I confirm, the Ultima qualifies for the basic IVA (low vol manufacturer)
2. An imobiliser IS required and, providing there is a certification from a MESF or TRI accredited installer, that's all the evidence required.
3. An Alarm is not required for IVA.
Right, we're at the stage now where the installing the imobiliser/alarm is easier than it otherwise would be.
So, here's the final question...
4. If an Imobiliser AND Alarm are fitted, does the Alarm and Immobliser have to be Thatcham apaproved (proving tricky to find someone to do this) or is it just the case that the MESF / TRI installer certificates is enough. In other words, does the Alarm require a thatcham certificate for IVA?
Cheers,
DMN
a late friday sanity check please.
1. Can I confirm, the Ultima qualifies for the basic IVA (low vol manufacturer)
2. An imobiliser IS required and, providing there is a certification from a MESF or TRI accredited installer, that's all the evidence required.
3. An Alarm is not required for IVA.
Right, we're at the stage now where the installing the imobiliser/alarm is easier than it otherwise would be.
So, here's the final question...
4. If an Imobiliser AND Alarm are fitted, does the Alarm and Immobliser have to be Thatcham apaproved (proving tricky to find someone to do this) or is it just the case that the MESF / TRI installer certificates is enough. In other words, does the Alarm require a thatcham certificate for IVA?
Cheers,
DMN
Here's my IVA experience from last yr....
Yes it's only the basic IVA and I'd strongly recommend going to the Notts centre as they're used to seeing these cars, so won't be confused by it or knit pick at silly things. I was done and dusted in 45mins, no arguments, challenges or issues, it was a complete non-event vs some of the horror stories I'd read previously.
For IVA a car needs either a steering lock or immobiliser. Unless you've added the former, then you'll need the latter! There is no need for any paperwork, the tester will just want to see it works and prevents the car from being started.
IVA doesn't require a Thatcham compliant unit, but if you're fitting an a alarm, your do need an installer certificate.
I have a Cat1 alarm and immobiliser as well as a fully electronic ignition and keyless start. As I wanted everything fully integrated into the harness, I was never going to be able to get an installation cert. Instead I disconnected the siren for the IVA test and went in with the immobiliser only, demo'd it working, got my cert, went home and reconnected the alarm. Job done
Yes it's only the basic IVA and I'd strongly recommend going to the Notts centre as they're used to seeing these cars, so won't be confused by it or knit pick at silly things. I was done and dusted in 45mins, no arguments, challenges or issues, it was a complete non-event vs some of the horror stories I'd read previously.
For IVA a car needs either a steering lock or immobiliser. Unless you've added the former, then you'll need the latter! There is no need for any paperwork, the tester will just want to see it works and prevents the car from being started.
IVA doesn't require a Thatcham compliant unit, but if you're fitting an a alarm, your do need an installer certificate.
I have a Cat1 alarm and immobiliser as well as a fully electronic ignition and keyless start. As I wanted everything fully integrated into the harness, I was never going to be able to get an installation cert. Instead I disconnected the siren for the IVA test and went in with the immobiliser only, demo'd it working, got my cert, went home and reconnected the alarm. Job done
Edited by 356Speedster on Saturday 29th March 08:52
No IVA experience but a bit of insurance experience.
My insurer, CCI, requires an immobiliser but not an alarm.
However, if the value of the car is over £40K they will require a tracker fitted by an approved installer (with certificate). I think these have taken over from alarms and you need to check with your insurers if the tracker you choose is approved by them. They are not cheap and require an annual subscription so it may be worth checking if you can delete the alarm and save the money for the tracker.
Let's face it, most people ignore alarms but I have found the tracker works, even in France when I had an earth issue with the battery.
Paul
My insurer, CCI, requires an immobiliser but not an alarm.
However, if the value of the car is over £40K they will require a tracker fitted by an approved installer (with certificate). I think these have taken over from alarms and you need to check with your insurers if the tracker you choose is approved by them. They are not cheap and require an annual subscription so it may be worth checking if you can delete the alarm and save the money for the tracker.
Let's face it, most people ignore alarms but I have found the tracker works, even in France when I had an earth issue with the battery.
Paul
Edited my post to make it read a bit better... blame iPad fingers, LOL!
Regarding the tracker, having just done the big ring around for renewal, CCI were the only ones who wanted a tracker and their price was waaaay to high, so they were never a contender for me. Even with the value of my car, other insurers weren't fussed and never offered any discounts. That's not to say a tracker doesn't have value, it's good piece of mind and there are plenty of options out there that cost sensible money and give you personal tracking (rather than subs based).
The other thing I found with insurance & security was that companies were happy to take evidence of install in the form of the documentation that came with the unit and then photos of the car's build showing how it was integrated into the loom.
Regarding the tracker, having just done the big ring around for renewal, CCI were the only ones who wanted a tracker and their price was waaaay to high, so they were never a contender for me. Even with the value of my car, other insurers weren't fussed and never offered any discounts. That's not to say a tracker doesn't have value, it's good piece of mind and there are plenty of options out there that cost sensible money and give you personal tracking (rather than subs based).
The other thing I found with insurance & security was that companies were happy to take evidence of install in the form of the documentation that came with the unit and then photos of the car's build showing how it was integrated into the loom.
Hi
My experience if it counts....
I had a nightmare with IVA. I had 'one of those' type of chaps. Ended up going back about 12 times. Mostly stupid things, like "you can't use cable ties to hold breather pipes or anything else, they are called CABLE ties Sir"
yes, seriously!
Oh and you will LOVE this one: Speedo failed because it was too accurate! I kid you not. It read EXACTLY the correct speed. He said it MUST read over. SO I added speed * 0.97% to my code and it passed.
Noise was a nightmare. I ended up having a 1" hole and stupid amount of silencers. It was so quiet that you genuinely did not know if it was running or not. I mean quieter than the quietest road car. And still it failed. I pointed out to him that the force of air was hitting the diaphragm of the test mic and thereby making crazy readings (like 110db!!). He said "I have no leeway, I must go by what the meter says". FOUR tests later with certs from a sound chamber and he said he would 'overlook' it.
Then he said tat the fuel tank cannot be in same compartment as the engine, and failed it. After frantic calling between me, the factory and the head IVA technician this magically disappeared off the fail list on the next test.
I mean my son (who helped me build the car) had a day off school, so I took him to one of the tests. We arrived an hour early and the place was deserted. I could see him looking at us from his desk and so I asked if he could test a bit earlier. He said no.
When the time came he came out and said "fail" I was gob smacked and asked why, he said that minors can't be in the test center - but the $"£%^£"^"%$£&^ was watching us for an hour before.
Anyway, I digress.
I had an immobilizer cert, but he did not want to see it. He only wanted to see that it worked.
I think it works like this:
Cat 1: Alarm and immobilizer
Cat 2: Immobilizer only
I would strongly suggest following the advice about which test center to go to. I had to walk away a few times (many times) to stop me calling this chap what he was......
Yes, it would not have passed first time, but would have second time. Instead I spent a fortune on pathetic retests - beware!
GOOD LUCK! When u pass it is an amazing feeling.
Gareth
My experience if it counts....
I had a nightmare with IVA. I had 'one of those' type of chaps. Ended up going back about 12 times. Mostly stupid things, like "you can't use cable ties to hold breather pipes or anything else, they are called CABLE ties Sir"
yes, seriously!
Oh and you will LOVE this one: Speedo failed because it was too accurate! I kid you not. It read EXACTLY the correct speed. He said it MUST read over. SO I added speed * 0.97% to my code and it passed.
Noise was a nightmare. I ended up having a 1" hole and stupid amount of silencers. It was so quiet that you genuinely did not know if it was running or not. I mean quieter than the quietest road car. And still it failed. I pointed out to him that the force of air was hitting the diaphragm of the test mic and thereby making crazy readings (like 110db!!). He said "I have no leeway, I must go by what the meter says". FOUR tests later with certs from a sound chamber and he said he would 'overlook' it.
Then he said tat the fuel tank cannot be in same compartment as the engine, and failed it. After frantic calling between me, the factory and the head IVA technician this magically disappeared off the fail list on the next test.
I mean my son (who helped me build the car) had a day off school, so I took him to one of the tests. We arrived an hour early and the place was deserted. I could see him looking at us from his desk and so I asked if he could test a bit earlier. He said no.
When the time came he came out and said "fail" I was gob smacked and asked why, he said that minors can't be in the test center - but the $"£%^£"^"%$£&^ was watching us for an hour before.
Anyway, I digress.
I had an immobilizer cert, but he did not want to see it. He only wanted to see that it worked.
I think it works like this:
Cat 1: Alarm and immobilizer
Cat 2: Immobilizer only
I would strongly suggest following the advice about which test center to go to. I had to walk away a few times (many times) to stop me calling this chap what he was......
Yes, it would not have passed first time, but would have second time. Instead I spent a fortune on pathetic retests - beware!
GOOD LUCK! When u pass it is an amazing feeling.
Gareth
Am I right in thinking that the IVA/SVA test is carried out at VOSA Test centres?
If this is the case, our local VOSA centre closes in July and testing will take place at local HGV garages equipped with the required test equipment. The tester will be employed by VOSA (or it's new equivalent) and will work out of different garages over the week. I know this as we have a 7.5t Horsebox that requires testing by VOSA.
Gareth
I suggest you write to the head of VOSA and list your issues with the tester (and name him) because people like him need to be weeded out of a position of power that he obviously wielded with considerable prejudice.
Paul
If this is the case, our local VOSA centre closes in July and testing will take place at local HGV garages equipped with the required test equipment. The tester will be employed by VOSA (or it's new equivalent) and will work out of different garages over the week. I know this as we have a 7.5t Horsebox that requires testing by VOSA.
Gareth
I suggest you write to the head of VOSA and list your issues with the tester (and name him) because people like him need to be weeded out of a position of power that he obviously wielded with considerable prejudice.
Paul
First question is does it have a steering lock? If so then that is all you need for IVA.
You can fit an immobiliser yourself (no certificate) and that will do for IVA. The immobiliser must set itself automatically typically 40 seconds after you turn off ignition. This auto setting is why you can't use a crock-lock or locking handbrake.
If you also have an alarm then it must be installed and certificated by a profesional installer.
Steve
You can fit an immobiliser yourself (no certificate) and that will do for IVA. The immobiliser must set itself automatically typically 40 seconds after you turn off ignition. This auto setting is why you can't use a crock-lock or locking handbrake.
If you also have an alarm then it must be installed and certificated by a profesional installer.
Steve
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