Ultima Evolution

Ultima Evolution

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911Boss

Original Poster:

31 posts

81 months

Saturday 21st October 2017
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Looking for some advice please. I'm
Considering a Evolution build, my questions are
1. Is it worth it ? How good are Ultima's
2. Is it expensive ?
3. Is it difficult ?
I do loads of track days with Goldtrack abs have seen an Ultima there.... it's looks amazing
Are they great on the track ?

ROWDYRENAULT

1,270 posts

214 months

Sunday 22nd October 2017
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1. Is it worth it ? If you are into a sense of accomplishment, because you built it, not bought it, it is absolutely worth the hours and money.

2. Is it expensive? Compared to anything near the performance its a 1/3 the money. But even the car that is three times the money and has similar performance numbers is going to have electrons doing all the challenging things on the track. Even if you got beat at a track day by something that cost three times more, on the way home your going to know that you had a lot more to do with what the car did on the track vs somebody in a whatever.

3 Is it difficult to build. Only as hard as you make it. If you stick to the factories cookbook its a piece of cake. If you start doing things like a other than a LS motor things get more difficult

Track days I was once a reasonably good driver. drove a Renault r5 turbo on track days and always had a podium out of 10 to 12 Renaults and a bunch of other cars in that class. The Ultima is so far beyond the Renault in speed I'm afraid I will never be able to get near its true potential. I am always behind the car on the track because the damn thing is so fast between corners. If I could put in 30 or 40 track days in a year maybe.

ROWDYRENAULT

1,270 posts

214 months

Sunday 22nd October 2017
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1. Is it worth it ? If you are into a sense of accomplishment, because you built it, not bought it, it is absolutely worth the hours and money.

2. Is it expensive? Compared to anything near the performance its a 1/3 the money. But even the car that is three times the money and has similar performance numbers is going to have electrons doing all the challenging things on the track. Even if you got beat at a track day by something that cost three times more, on the way home your going to know that you had a lot more to do with what the car did on the track vs somebody in a whatever.

3 Is it difficult to build. Only as hard as you make it. If you stick to the factories cookbook its a piece of cake. If you start doing things like a other than a LS motor things get more difficult

Track days I was once a reasonably good driver. drove a Renault r5 turbo on track days and always had a podium out of 10 to 12 Renaults and a bunch of other cars in that class. The Ultima is so far beyond the Renault in speed I'm afraid I will never be able to get near its true potential. I am always behind the car on the track because the damn thing is so fast between corners. If I could put in 30 or 40 track days in a year maybe.

deadscoob

2,263 posts

260 months

Sunday 22nd October 2017
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If they’re specced and set up right they’re very good on track, I’ve never been overtaken on track by anything road legal, only race cars on slicks.
They’re an absolute blast on track smile

911Boss

Original Poster:

31 posts

81 months

Sunday 22nd October 2017
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Thank you that's great feed back.
i will speak to Ultima on Monday and arrange a factory visit 👍

911Boss

Original Poster:

31 posts

81 months

Sunday 22nd October 2017
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What tires do you run it on ? Can it use Dunlop semi slick tires ?

deadscoob

2,263 posts

260 months

Sunday 22nd October 2017
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👍
What do you drive on track, if it’s a 911 of sorts I can give some feedback on how an ultima compares.

deadscoob

2,263 posts

260 months

Sunday 22nd October 2017
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I used kumho v70 - you could use Dunlop’s but they only go up to 295.
I’m just in the process of changing to 19” so I can use ps cup2 or Pirelli trofeos.

911Boss

Original Poster:

31 posts

81 months

Sunday 22nd October 2017
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On track I have an 1995 Audi A4 250hp track car built by Backdraft motors 1200kg front wheel drive and a 2015 911S.
Ultima looks different beast

deadscoob

2,263 posts

260 months

Sunday 22nd October 2017
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Ok yeah, it would be different to drive for sure.

What sort of budget would you have?

911Boss

Original Poster:

31 posts

81 months

Sunday 22nd October 2017
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65k

deadscoob

2,263 posts

260 months

Sunday 22nd October 2017
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You could build an evo for that I think but you’d have to keep v tight reins on the budget, have you considered used?

911Boss

Original Poster:

31 posts

81 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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I've got the time on my hands now so building it would be fun and protect me from depreciation I think. I would stick exactly to factory spec too

Ult-Jim

624 posts

190 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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I doubt 65K is enough these days for a proper decent / sensible spec EVO. I may be wrong though. Only way to find out is to visit the factory, get all the facts and figures from them. Plus go and talk to as many existing owners and builders as you can and view their cars.

GTRS

290 posts

223 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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I’m building an evo spec and my budget is £65k. I’m at the final stages of my build and I am certain it will be within budget. Mine is factory spec except for the dash and switchgear.

Pascal Mertens

25 posts

115 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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GTRS said:
I’m building an evo spec and my budget is £65k. I’m at the final stages of my build and I am certain it will be within budget. Mine is factory spec except for the dash and switchgear.
What kind of engine did you use ?

Ult-Jim

624 posts

190 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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When comparing the cost....Its like comparing apples with pears without stating the engine supplier and spec (bhp), whether it has a Factory pre fit service, any tools purchased to build, SVA checks & costs, other services to assist such as wheel alignment, engine / drivetrain installation and / or exhaust coatings for example, includes the rear wing, etc (as that may be an item recommended to fit after sva completion) plus whether that includes value added tax.

Pascal Mertens

25 posts

115 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Ult-Jim said:
When comparing the cost....Its like comparing apples with pears without stating the engine supplier and spec (bhp), whether it has a Factory pre fit service, any tools purchased to build, SVA checks & costs, other services to assist such as wheel alignment, engine / drivetrain installation and / or exhaust coatings for example, includes the rear wing, etc (as that may be an item recommended to fit after sva completion) plus whether that includes value added tax.
That is true. I replaced my carbureted Amerspeed by a 550hp LS-3 with all kinds of upgrades for track use and it took north of €35k to get it done.

I can imagine that when you go all the way you need some deep pockets.

845ste

577 posts

127 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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in italy for a decent gtr's, track day with 500/600hp and of everything you need for, you spend 120k euros min.....:smile

356Speedster

2,293 posts

231 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Welcome to the group...... As others have said: DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

Going to visit the factory is an obviously good start. When you visit, discuss your needs / wants honestly, so that they can give you advice on spec & provide you with the correct cost estimates. There are plenty of options to consider and you want to go in with your eyes open from the start, don't kid yourself on a low spec to make it fit the budget.

From what you've said about wanting a track car, it sounds like you're going to be looking at 550bhp'ish, turbo / GT G96/7 gearbox (C2 'box is suitable for heavy track work, IMO), long wishbones, 19" wheels, uprated springs / shocks...... I'd then recommend looking at some of the high-performance fuel systems & exhaust systems on offer in the market, to really get your best bang for buck on track. There's also some great spring / shock combos on offer now, which transform the car on track. The new factory dash (AIM) looks awesome and the CAE Ultra Shifter is a must too (I'm biased!). Now the bad news - you won't do all this for your budget. I speak from experience with both my Can Am (high spec car with these upgrades and more) and my GTR (a "softer" car, just finished now and ready for IVA).

If you want to discuss further, feel free to PM me, or get in touch via www.facebook.com/ultima.can.am.build