More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t

More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t

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LunarOne

5,089 posts

136 months

Wednesday 21st July 2021
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Gary C said:
tdm34 said:
dudleybloke said:
sean ie3 said:
I'm getting a bit bored with my speakers, they are floor standing Gale 30s, front ported, there is a bung in the back of them and I'm thinking that I could get about 5 or 6 kilos of kiln dried sand in each of them, thinking it would tighten the bass response. Anyone tried this and gotten a result?
Icelandic black sand will add a smoother timbre and increase low frequency muon dissipation, but not on every third Tuesday.
This can be countered by adding 0.07433% to 0.07434% Titanium dioxide powder.
But that'll make a bit splashy in the transients every 4th Friday, you'll then have to add some powdered Squirrel tail to compensate.
What you need is some Triuranium octoxide (U3O8) smile
AKA Octopus Urine

Gary C

12,312 posts

178 months

Wednesday 21st July 2021
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LunarOne said:
Gary C said:
tdm34 said:
dudleybloke said:
sean ie3 said:
I'm getting a bit bored with my speakers, they are floor standing Gale 30s, front ported, there is a bung in the back of them and I'm thinking that I could get about 5 or 6 kilos of kiln dried sand in each of them, thinking it would tighten the bass response. Anyone tried this and gotten a result?
Icelandic black sand will add a smoother timbre and increase low frequency muon dissipation, but not on every third Tuesday.
This can be countered by adding 0.07433% to 0.07434% Titanium dioxide powder.
But that'll make a bit splashy in the transients every 4th Friday, you'll then have to add some powdered Squirrel tail to compensate.
What you need is some Triuranium octoxide (U3O8) smile
AKA Octopus Urine
Dried octopus urine, get it right smile

rxe

6,700 posts

102 months

Wednesday 21st July 2021
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Inspired by some of the links here, I had a rummage and found this:

https://audiocomav.com/audioquest-diamond-rje-ethe...

A nigh on £600 Ethernet cable. The killer point is that in this case it is “directional”. In this loopy world of networking, packets only flow one way, there are no acks. How someone with such a fundamental lack of understanding of how networks er, work can craft a £600 cable, I have no idea.

LunarOne

5,089 posts

136 months

Wednesday 21st July 2021
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rxe said:
Inspired by some of the links here, I had a rummage and found this:

https://audiocomav.com/audioquest-diamond-rje-ethe...

A nigh on £600 Ethernet cable. The killer point is that in this case it is “directional”. In this loopy world of networking, packets only flow one way, there are no acks. How someone with such a fundamental lack of understanding of how networks er, work can craft a £600 cable, I have no idea.
Don't kid yourself. The person doing the crafting knows full well what nonsense this is. The same person is hoping that the punters don't. You've got to wonder, but judging by this, there are plenty of people without a sufficient number of brain cells.


silentbrown

8,791 posts

115 months

Wednesday 21st July 2021
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rxe said:
Inspired by some of the links here, I had a rummage and found this:

https://audiocomav.com/audioquest-diamond-rje-ethe...

A nigh on £600 Ethernet cable. The killer point is that in this case it is “directional”. In this loopy world of networking, packets only flow one way, there are no acks. How someone with such a fundamental lack of understanding of how networks er, work can craft a £600 cable, I have no idea.
There are actually separate TX and RX twisted pairs in ethernet cable? So making a directional cable is indeed possible. Pointless, but possible smile
(Unless we're talking 10Base2 from the 80's, where everything runs over coax...)

sociopath

3,433 posts

65 months

Wednesday 21st July 2021
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Gary C said:
tdm34 said:
dudleybloke said:
sean ie3 said:
I'm getting a bit bored with my speakers, they are floor standing Gale 30s, front ported, there is a bung in the back of them and I'm thinking that I could get about 5 or 6 kilos of kiln dried sand in each of them, thinking it would tighten the bass response. Anyone tried this and gotten a result?
Icelandic black sand will add a smoother timbre and increase low frequency muon dissipation, but not on every third Tuesday.
This can be countered by adding 0.07433% to 0.07434% Titanium dioxide powder.
But that'll make a bit splashy in the transients every 4th Friday, you'll then have to add some powdered Squirrel tail to compensate.
What you need is some Triuranium octoxide (U3O8) smile
Doesn't that make it smeary in the mid-range?

silentbrown

8,791 posts

115 months

Wednesday 21st July 2021
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sociopath said:
Doesn't that make it smeary in the mid-range?
Flutter on your bottom!

rxe

6,700 posts

102 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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silentbrown said:
There are actually separate TX and RX twisted pairs in ethernet cable? So making a directional cable is indeed possible. Pointless, but possible smile
(Unless we're talking 10Base2 from the 80's, where everything runs over coax...)
But which direction? Each end is a transmitter, each end is a receiver. You don’t just pump packets down like water in a hose - the other end is chatting back to you. Only in a deranged mind would you be sitting at the bottom layer of the OSI model thinking about “music”! I can just about cope with the carbon fibre boson fkwittery, that’s just marketing, but as soon as you say “directional” it exposes that you literally have no idea what you are trying to sell!

TonyRPH

Original Poster:

12,963 posts

167 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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silentbrown said:
There are actually separate TX and RX twisted pairs in ethernet cable? So making a directional cable is indeed possible. Pointless, but possible smile
(Unless we're talking 10Base2 from the 80's, where everything runs over coax...)
Could you imagine if we still only had 10Base2?

These snake oil companies would be advertising 'collision free' signalling - "free your audio" ;p




silentbrown

8,791 posts

115 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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rxe said:
silentbrown said:
There are actually separate TX and RX twisted pairs in ethernet cable? So making a directional cable is indeed possible. Pointless, but possible smile
(Unless we're talking 10Base2 from the 80's, where everything runs over coax...)
But which direction? Each end is a transmitter, each end is a receiver. You don’t just pump packets down like water in a hose - the other end is chatting back to you. Only in a deranged mind would you be sitting at the bottom layer of the OSI model thinking about “music”! I can just about cope with the carbon fibre boson fkwittery, that’s just marketing, but as soon as you say “directional” it exposes that you literally have no idea what you are trying to sell!
I hate to defend this kind of nonsense, but I don't think they're saying the entire cable is directional and can only be plugged in one way round. Just that each conductor in the cable can be 'directional' - the TX ones one way, RX the other.

100% pointless, but possible. (I'm surprised they haven't suggested bi-wired ethernet, where you'd have separate sockets and cables for TX and RX....)

silentbrown

8,791 posts

115 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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TonyRPH said:
Could you imagine if we still only had 10Base2?

These snake oil companies would be advertising 'collision free' signalling - "free your audio" ;p
Or 10Base5!


"Vampire Tap" would be a good name for a band, though.

TonyRPH

Original Poster:

12,963 posts

167 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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silentbrown said:
Or 10Base5!


"Vampire Tap" would be a good name for a band, though.
haha - I think I may even still have some AUI converters somewhere.

Historic museum pieces lol.

Gary C

12,312 posts

178 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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TonyRPH said:
silentbrown said:
There are actually separate TX and RX twisted pairs in ethernet cable? So making a directional cable is indeed possible. Pointless, but possible smile
(Unless we're talking 10Base2 from the 80's, where everything runs over coax...)
Could you imagine if we still only had 10Base2?
We still use thick ethernet at work smile

LunarOne

5,089 posts

136 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Want something even more cumbersome? I used to sell Token Ring type 1!

Silver Smudger

3,292 posts

166 months

Friday 23rd July 2021
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TonyRPH said:
silentbrown said:
Or 10Base5!


"Vampire Tap" would be a good name for a band, though.
haha - I think I may even still have some AUI converters somewhere.

Historic museum pieces lol.
This kit was cutting edge when the Jubilee Line Extension was designed in the '90s - There are 11 stations which are still chock full of them. As they were the most recently built, they are now last on the list for upgrading.



Bermondsey control room.

Monitors are now flat-screens, and CCTV is no longer recorded on VHS, but network hardware and computer systems are circa 30 years old

rxe

6,700 posts

102 months

Friday 23rd July 2021
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silentbrown said:
I hate to defend this kind of nonsense, but I don't think they're saying the entire cable is directional and can only be plugged in one way round. Just that each conductor in the cable can be 'directional' - the TX ones one way, RX the other.

100% pointless, but possible. (I'm surprised they haven't suggested bi-wired ethernet, where you'd have separate sockets and cables for TX and RX....)
They have arrows on the plugs denoting source and target!

Teamed ports would indeed be a whole new level of bullsttery!

silentbrown

8,791 posts

115 months

Friday 23rd July 2021
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rxe said:
They have arrows on the plugs denoting source and target!
Holy crap! "For best results have the arrow pointing in the direction of the flow of music. For example, NAS to Router, Router to Network Player."

Can't the ASA regulate this at all?

TonyRPH

Original Poster:

12,963 posts

167 months

Friday 23rd July 2021
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silentbrown said:
Holy crap! "For best results have the arrow pointing in the direction of the flow of music. For example, NAS to Router, Router to Network Player."

Can't the ASA regulate this at all?
It would appear to be somewhat difficult to prove simply because it's purely subjective.

None of these so called 'enhancements' can actually be measured.

Tony1963

4,699 posts

161 months

Saturday 24th July 2021
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Going back to those Chord suppositories, I’ve copied the words below from the Naim forum. Obviously there’s lots of joking and disbelief, but at least someone has tried one, and is being honest.

“ When I saw this for the first time, my reaction was much as above, and I was astonished that Chord, who I’m very much wedded to, would produce something as Beltian as this.

I had a chance to try one (the DIN variant), so I did.

The only place I could stick it (no matron, not there, at least the DIN version) was a spare input on the 552, so I did. The result?

Nothing. Swap out? Nothing different. Try a different input socket? Nothing. Common sense the victor, it simply did nothing, which I was expecting.

Then I read the Facebook post of a well respected dealer, which was about making sure the input socket was activated. Ah, so shoving it where the sun don’t shine would have been as useful!

So, with input socket activated via the Naim app, I tried again. This time I could hear a difference, but to be honest I wasn’t sure whether this was just an expectation thing. So I kept it going for several days (I use the system most of my waking hours) with the intention of reverting to a known state.

When I did this, there was a noticeable reduction in dynamics…the music was snappier and with more space around it. Not to a huge degree, but there regardless.

The final test involved the innocent ears of my wife. Blind testing (single blind, sports fans). A few back and forths and she picked the Chord device every time as “better”. Anne doesn’t do inky blackness, 3D imaging, shimmering highs, just better as a piece of music that’s more enjoyable.

So, it’s a keeper. Like the EE8 switch it wasn’t a change that warranted a “Ooh, I must see what this does to the rest of the collection”, but in the context of my system and the expenditure (what the heck, I’ll be dead sooner rather than later) it’s a genuine upgrade. I’ll be interested in hearing what is gained by adding another thingy does, this time with an Ethernet connector fo one of my switches.

And no, I don’t know what the thingy contains (for all I care it could be Pixie dust).”

No. I won’t be buying any!

Gary C

12,312 posts

178 months

Saturday 24th July 2021
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Silver Smudger said:
This kit was cutting edge when the Jubilee Line Extension was designed in the '90s - There are 11 stations which are still chock full of them. As they were the most recently built, they are now last on the list for upgrading.



Bermondsey control room.

Monitors are now flat-screens, and CCTV is no longer recorded on VHS, but network hardware and computer systems are circa 30 years old
You think thats old ?

Our main computers are Honeywell DPS 6's