More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t

[Itsallicanafford]

Tony1963 said:

Going back to those Chord suppositories, I’ve copied the words below from the Naim forum. Obviously there’s lots of joking and disbelief, but at least someone has tried one, and is being honest.

“ When I saw this for the first time, my reaction was much as above, and I was astonished that Chord, who I’m very much wedded to, would produce something as Beltian as this.

I had a chance to try one (the DIN variant), so I did.

The only place I could stick it (no matron, not there, at least the DIN version) was a spare input on the 552, so I did. The result?

Nothing. Swap out? Nothing different. Try a different input socket? Nothing. Common sense the victor, it simply did nothing, which I was expecting.

Then I read the Facebook post of a well respected dealer, which was about making sure the input socket was activated. Ah, so shoving it where the sun don’t shine would have been as useful!

So, with input socket activated via the Naim app, I tried again. This time I could hear a difference, but to be honest I wasn’t sure whether this was just an expectation thing. So I kept it going for several days (I use the system most of my waking hours) with the intention of reverting to a known state.

When I did this, there was a noticeable reduction in dynamics…the music was snappier and with more space around it. Not to a huge degree, but there regardless.

The final test involved the innocent ears of my wife. Blind testing (single blind, sports fans). A few back and forths and she picked the Chord device every time as “better”. Anne doesn’t do inky blackness, 3D imaging, shimmering highs, just better as a piece of music that’s more enjoyable.

So, it’s a keeper. Like the EE8 switch it wasn’t a change that warranted a “Ooh, I must see what this does to the rest of the collection”, but in the context of my system and the expenditure (what the heck, I’ll be dead sooner rather than later) it’s a genuine upgrade. I’ll be interested in hearing what is gained by adding another thingy does, this time with an Ethernet connector fo one of my switches.

And no, I don’t know what the thingy contains (for all I care it could be Pixie dust).”

No. I won’t be buying any!

I read that also on the naim forum, was thinking of linking this thread on the naim forum but didn’t want to upset people who might have bought other items that have been listed here…

[Tony1963]

Itsallicanafford said:

I read that also on the naim forum, was thinking of linking this thread on the naim forum but didn’t want to upset people who might have bought other items that have been listed here…

I copied and pasted it because, being fair, the guy and his wife say they can hear an improvement. Just for the sake of a free trial at home, he likes it. Science says no, listening says yes. Easy. I don’t think I’ll have upset anyone on the Naim forum

[anonymoususer]

Going off topic but a faraday cage for your router anyone ?

Faraday Cage for Wi-Fi Routers. Reduces RF Radiation by +90% Performs as normal.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254436727936?hash=item3...

[TonyRPH]

anonymoususer said:

Going off topic but a faraday cage for your router anyone ?

Faraday Cage for Wi-Fi Routers. Reduces RF Radiation by +90% Performs as normal.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254436727936?hash=item3...

Wow, that's a whole new level of f*ckwittery.

And then this:

vendor said:

Q: My router has external antennas, can it still be caged?
A: Yes, we cage the main body of the router, then make tubes out of the same material to pop over the antennas, the tubes can be easily removed if need be.

I don't think this can be very good for the RF transmitter in the router - it must surely introduce unwanted reflections and standing waves...

[rscott]

anonymoususer said:

Going off topic but a faraday cage for your router anyone ?

Faraday Cage for Wi-Fi Routers. Reduces RF Radiation by +90% Performs as normal.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254436727936?hash=item3...

Erm, if a Faraday cage doesn't reduce WiFi reception at all, isn't it a pretty st Faraday cage??

[TonyRPH]

rscott said:

Erm, if a Faraday cage doesn't reduce WiFi reception at all, isn't it a pretty st Faraday cage??

Exactly.

[Gary C]

rscott said:

anonymoususer said:

Going off topic but a faraday cage for your router anyone ?

Faraday Cage for Wi-Fi Routers. Reduces RF Radiation by +90% Performs as normal.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254436727936?hash=item3...

Erm, if a Faraday cage doesn't reduce WiFi reception at all, isn't it a pretty st Faraday cage??

As its a cage, then it all depends on the wavelength to hole size and hole shape.

[TonyRPH]

Gary C said:

As its a cage, then it all depends on the wavelength to hole size and hole shape.

It has no bottom.

It's 5 sided according to the advert. Even they say "the wireless won't work without a missing side".

So although it's blocking some frequencies (although we don't know which ones) it's still radiating in a downward direction.

And I can't see that shield blocking all the various wireless frequencies.

As per my earlier quote:

vendor said:

Q: The one side of the cage is left open or is it missing a cover?
A: No, there is nothing missing, the cages have 5 sides and are more like a sleeve, if the cages had 6 sides and fully enclosed they would block too much signal to function, for some designs the open back also allows for wiring to enter.

Edited by TonyRPH on Sunday 25th July 18:39

[Itsallicanafford]

Tony1963 said:

Itsallicanafford said:

I read that also on the naim forum, was thinking of linking this thread on the naim forum but didn’t want to upset people who might have bought other items that have been listed here…

I copied and pasted it because, being fair, the guy and his wife say they can hear an improvement. Just for the sake of a free trial at home, he likes it. Science says no, listening says yes. Easy. I don’t think I’ll have upset anyone on the Naim forum

they are a good bunch over there, I do struggle with the topics which are basically ‘I have a £50k set up would spending another £20k make it better’ but there are certainly not hurting anybody..

[Tony1963]

Itsallicanafford said:

they are a good bunch over there, I do struggle with the topics which are basically ‘I have a £50k set up would spending another £20k make it better’ but there are certainly not hurting anybody..

Agreed. I’m rarely there now. I first joined in either 1998 or 99 while in Saudi. It was, I think, the first thing I did on the internet after setting up my Hotmail account. The forum was fun and interesting, but it just feels like a marketing tool now.

[Silver Smudger]

Gary C said:

Silver Smudger said:

This kit was cutting edge when the Jubilee Line Extension was designed in the '90s - There are 11 stations which are still chock full of them. As they were the most recently built, they are now last on the list for upgrading.


Bermondsey control room.

Monitors are now flat-screens, and CCTV is no longer recorded on VHS, but network hardware and computer systems are circa 30 years old

You think thats old ?

Our main computers are Honeywell DPS 6's

I was replying to TonyRPH. He referred to that kit as "Historic museum pieces" which I said was installed on the JLE, the newest Underground line there is -

Plenty of Underground eqpt is much, much older than that!

[Gary C]

TonyRPH said:

Gary C said:

As its a cage, then it all depends on the wavelength to hole size and hole shape.

It has no bottom.

It's 5 sided according to the advert. Even they say "the wireless won't work without a missing side".

So although it's blocking some frequencies (although we don't know which ones) it's still radiating in a downward direction.

And I can't see that shield blocking all the various wireless frequencies.

As per my earlier quote:

vendor said:

Q: The one side of the cage is left open or is it missing a cover?
A: No, there is nothing missing, the cages have 5 sides and are more like a sleeve, if the cages had 6 sides and fully enclosed they would block too much signal to function, for some designs the open back also allows for wiring to enter.

Edited by TonyRPH on Sunday 25th July 18:39

Missed that it was arseless !

Faraday cages are not complete blocks though.

[ruggedscotty]

Gary C said:

rscott said:

anonymoususer said:

Going off topic but a faraday cage for your router anyone ?

Faraday Cage for Wi-Fi Routers. Reduces RF Radiation by +90% Performs as normal.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254436727936?hash=item3...

Erm, if a Faraday cage doesn't reduce WiFi reception at all, isn't it a pretty st Faraday cage??

As its a cage, then it all depends on the wavelength to hole size and hole shape.

gawd dont feed them.... let them work it out lol

[Tony1963]

Make sure you don’t miss out on the chance to ‘win’

[Davie_GLA]

One directional network cable for audio. That's brilliant. UDP audio?

Also, I selected to go all out and "order" the 12m one.... night on £8k!!!

[Digger]

Davie_GLA said:

One directional network cable for audio. That's brilliant. UDP audio?

Also, I selected to go all out and "order" the 12m one.... night on £8k!!!

I know you didn’t order but I would love someone to order online, & return the product for a refund & see how seamless the process is . . .

[Davie_GLA]

Digger said:

I know you didn’t order but I would love someone to order online, & return the product for a refund & see how seamless the process is . . .

Exactly. I am more than sure there would be an issue with any payment that isn't paypal "friends and family", or better still you need to pay for it in gift cards.

What we should all understand though is that it's *probably* a money-laundering front and the industry is well known for actually selling this nonsense to people who can definitely hear the difference.

I've remembered the madness of high end HDMI cables. gold plated and half an inch thick obviously meant that nothing was lost.

When I was into car audio I will admit to spending far too much money on oxygen free speaker cables, shielded power and remote cables but there was at least some science and evidence behind it but it just got out of hand at an alarming rate.

Who remembers running their power cables down one side of the car and the RCA's down the other. If you didn't then you would get a high pitched tone that would change as you progressed through the rev range.

Those were the days. Longmill Pharoh amps, Alpine, Clarion, the solid black sony flip units, kenwood (with matching stickers and t-shirts).

Get off my lawn.

[nelly1]

https://www.stereonet.com/uk/news/nordost-odin-gol...

35 grand for what is essentially a kettle lead?!?

[arguti]

nelly1 said:

https://www.stereonet.com/uk/news/nordost-odin-gol...

35 grand for what is essentially a kettle lead?!?

Think for a minute how much better the coffee would taste using that.......cleaner power delivery, less distortion of coffee granules, minimise burning taste due to linear power delivery, allows better coffee/mild integration for a smoother taste and that's without even discussing the imaging!

[thebraketester]

nelly1 said:

https://www.stereonet.com/uk/news/nordost-odin-gol...

35 grand for what is essentially a kettle lead?!?

Mind boggling.