LG OLED 65" Price

[RobDickinson]

what percentage of buyers want an expensive small screen?

not surprised they have started at 55 inch.

the 55 is only a touch bigger than my 42" plasma lol

[jmorgan]

^^^^^^^
Probably the same ones that will buy a 1000 quid two way radio or a 170 quid bread burning device

Edit

(might include me....)

Edit 2. Actually, not below 55 for 4K.

Edited by jmorgan on Wednesday 13th September 08:06

[Hilts]

Do these or any other similarly priced OLED TVs suffer from DSE (Dirty Screen Effect) especially when watching football.

[Durzel]

Never heard of Dirty Screen Effect.

LG OLEDs (so anyone who uses their panels - everyone?) have their issues though, and as usual some sets are better / issue-free than others.

Banding, vignetting and yellow tint are complaints I've seen on some forums.

[Hilts]

DSE is most noticeable when the camera pans from side to side and leaves an almost shadowy like effect on the grass.

My plasma doesn't do it but I have an LG 55" LED set which cost 750 and it does even @4K

[varsas]

Hilts said:

Do these or any other similarly priced OLED TVs suffer from DSE (Dirty Screen Effect) especially when watching football.

DSE is caused by non-uniformity in the backlight. It doesn't affect OLED/Plasma screens (they do not have a backlight) and really shouldn't affect LED's using FALD backlighting. Some people have reported banding on OLED panels (caused by the pixels not quite responding identically to a given input, presumably due to manufacturing tolerences) which might be apparent during football etc. This seems to be more common on 65 inch screens, I've only ever seen it on very dark scenes (a brighter image raises the signal/noise ratio, if you like, making small variations in picture brightness less noticable) on my 55inch. Generally speaking later models are improved by better compensation methods.

Edited by varsas on Thursday 21st September 11:22

[Hilts]

varsas said:

Hilts said:

Do these or any other similarly priced OLED TVs suffer from DSE (Dirty Screen Effect) especially when watching football.

DSE is caused by non-uniformity in the backlight. It doesn't affect OLED/Plasma screens (they do not have a backlight) and really shouldn't affect LED's using FALD backlighting. Some people have reported banding on OLED panels (caused by the pixels not quite responding identically to a given input, presumably due to manufacturing tolerences) which might be apparent during football etc. This seems to be more common on 65 inch screens, I've only ever seen it on very dark scenes (a brighter image raises the signal/noise ratio, if you like, making small variations in picture brightness less noticable) on my 55inch. Generally speaking later models are improved by better compensation methods.

Edited by varsas on Thursday 21st September 11:22

Thanks for that, the TV I have is great apart from DSE which I only see on football and sometimes to a lesser extent motorsport.

I'll probably keep it for a year or so then upgrade.

[Durzel]

Oh yeah, "backlight bleed" which I guess is the same thing DSE was not great on my previous Samsung LED LCD TV. As said above OLED doesn't have a backlight so is unaffected.

[Carl_Manchester]

AshBurrows said:

Alucidnation said:

I'm avoiding OLED for now as the picture isn't quite as good as LED at the moment.

In what world?

I have a Panny ZT plasma and the only thing that's giving me pause for thought is the latest wave of OLEDs.

I bought my plasma in 2009. I have avoided an OLED purchase due to the motion. If my panel croaks it and I had to buy a screen right now it would probably be a Panasonic or Sony non-OLED screen.

Having said that, this year's Sony OLED set has really good motion and is the pick of the bunch for me, having spent time with the LG I think the Sony trumps it on balance.

As I understand it there will be a significant design changes to OLED panels from the LG factory in Q1 2018. The 2017 OLED panel updates were just minor changes so I have decided to wait it out and see what CES 2018 brings.

[AshBurrows]

Sony uses the same panel. It's literally software.

[varsas]

Carl_Manchester said:

AshBurrows said:

Alucidnation said:

I'm avoiding OLED for now as the picture isn't quite as good as LED at the moment.

In what world?

I have a Panny ZT plasma and the only thing that's giving me pause for thought is the latest wave of OLEDs.

I bought my plasma in 2009. I have avoided an OLED purchase due to the motion. If my panel croaks it and I had to buy a screen right now it would probably be a Panasonic or Sony non-OLED screen.

Having said that, this year's Sony OLED set has really good motion and is the pick of the bunch for me, having spent time with the LG I think the Sony trumps it on balance.

As I understand it there will be a significant design changes to OLED panels from the LG factory in Q1 2018. The 2017 OLED panel updates were just minor changes so I have decided to wait it out and see what CES 2018 brings.

Looking forward to see what LG brings next year...As you say I think this year was a 'tick', that is a small revision to the current hardware, where next year is a 'tock'...really new stuff. 1,000 nits here we come!

If you are interested in why the motion on your plasma is so different to an LCD/OLED look up 'impulse vs sample-and-hold TV'. In theory it is possible to get an OLED to 'simulate' an impulse driven set by using BFI (in fact an OLED should be better at this then an LCD type display) but I hear the implementation on the Sony isn't very satisfactory and I don't think anyone else does it. Maybe switching the pixels on/off quickly damages them?

https://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/

Edited by varsas on Friday 22 September 08:01

[B17NNS]

Took a look at one of these yesterday, lovely piece of kit. Exact same panel as the top end models which if you're using a separate audio system makes this 'base' model the pick of the bunch.

Now available at £2599 here http://www.prcdirect.co.uk/lg-oled65b7v-65-4k-ultr...

Use voucher code 200TV for £200 off.

[dimots]

Just posting to say I bought one of these and the picture is amazing. No complaints whatsoever. Did consider the Sony but the picture didn’t look any different to me. Controller was nicer though.

[jmorgan]

Think they all use LG panels so it’s software and hardware bolted to the panel as the difference?