Old HiFi Service / Upgrade / Addition Suggestions?
Discussion
With my father having passed away last year, I find myself with his HiFi, a happy sentimental joy, with the added benefit that it sounds far better than my own setup.
The question I have, is whether to leave it exactly as it is, or to service, upgrade or add to it (sentiment means that replacement is not on the cards for now).
LP12 (Export) 1977/78 (I think unmolested and not upgraded in any way).
Grace Arm
Ortorfon MC 15 Super Cartridge
Arcam Alpha 7se CD Player
Naim NAC92
Naim NAP180
Shahinian Arc Speakers
I'd like to add a DAC, but not sure where to start. There is also an Arcam tuner, but I have no aerial to hook up to, and I'd rather try and stream from the internet.
The turntable and pre amp probably desperately need a service. I'm reluctant to throw upgrades at the LP12 unless there is anything that would make a stark difference.
The question I have, is whether to leave it exactly as it is, or to service, upgrade or add to it (sentiment means that replacement is not on the cards for now).
LP12 (Export) 1977/78 (I think unmolested and not upgraded in any way).
Grace Arm
Ortorfon MC 15 Super Cartridge
Arcam Alpha 7se CD Player
Naim NAC92
Naim NAP180
Shahinian Arc Speakers
I'd like to add a DAC, but not sure where to start. There is also an Arcam tuner, but I have no aerial to hook up to, and I'd rather try and stream from the internet.
The turntable and pre amp probably desperately need a service. I'm reluctant to throw upgrades at the LP12 unless there is anything that would make a stark difference.
Sorry to hear about the loss of your Father.
That's a lovely system. I bought my LP12 in 1980 so a similar vintage. As you probably know, any LP12 can be upgraded to current spec but it can get very spendy!
I would take it to a Linn dealer for service / setup and definitely have new springs, grommets and belt fitted. You could possibly consider the Trampolin base and a good (used) Valhalla power supply would make a good difference (you should find one on eBay). Next would be a bearing upgrade. These can all be done individually so you can spend as little or as much as you like. Also get the arm bearings checked and the cartridge condition too.
If you're transporting the LP12, remove the outer and inner platters to protect the bearing but be aware of oil draining out.
This site may be useful to see how the turntable has evolved http://www.moorgateacoustics.co.uk/sondek-lp12/
The Arc speakers are wonderful things and becoming quite sought after.
That's a lovely system. I bought my LP12 in 1980 so a similar vintage. As you probably know, any LP12 can be upgraded to current spec but it can get very spendy!
I would take it to a Linn dealer for service / setup and definitely have new springs, grommets and belt fitted. You could possibly consider the Trampolin base and a good (used) Valhalla power supply would make a good difference (you should find one on eBay). Next would be a bearing upgrade. These can all be done individually so you can spend as little or as much as you like. Also get the arm bearings checked and the cartridge condition too.
If you're transporting the LP12, remove the outer and inner platters to protect the bearing but be aware of oil draining out.
This site may be useful to see how the turntable has evolved http://www.moorgateacoustics.co.uk/sondek-lp12/
The Arc speakers are wonderful things and becoming quite sought after.
Graculus said:
Sorry to hear about the loss of your Father.
That's a lovely system. I bought my LP12 in 1980 so a similar vintage. As you probably know, any LP12 can be upgraded to current spec but it can get very spendy!
I would take it to a Linn dealer for service / setup and definitely have new springs, grommets and belt fitted. You could possibly consider the Trampolin base and a good (used) Valhalla power supply would make a good difference (you should find one on eBay). Next would be a bearing upgrade. These can all be done individually so you can spend as little or as much as you like. Also get the arm bearings checked and the cartridge condition too.
If you're transporting the LP12, remove the outer and inner platters to protect the bearing but be aware of oil draining out.
This site may be useful to see how the turntable has evolved http://www.moorgateacoustics.co.uk/sondek-lp12/
The Arc speakers are wonderful things and becoming quite sought after.
Oh dear I got rid of my Dad’s Arcs after his death a few years ago. They did sound good though but as my stuff is Meridian they didn’t really fit. That's a lovely system. I bought my LP12 in 1980 so a similar vintage. As you probably know, any LP12 can be upgraded to current spec but it can get very spendy!
I would take it to a Linn dealer for service / setup and definitely have new springs, grommets and belt fitted. You could possibly consider the Trampolin base and a good (used) Valhalla power supply would make a good difference (you should find one on eBay). Next would be a bearing upgrade. These can all be done individually so you can spend as little or as much as you like. Also get the arm bearings checked and the cartridge condition too.
If you're transporting the LP12, remove the outer and inner platters to protect the bearing but be aware of oil draining out.
This site may be useful to see how the turntable has evolved http://www.moorgateacoustics.co.uk/sondek-lp12/
The Arc speakers are wonderful things and becoming quite sought after.
If I had the OP's system I'd certainly be looking at finding a NAC102 or 82 pre to go with the 180, and a HiCap power supply for whichever pre he ends up with. I've no idea of the 92's value, but a NAC102 can be bought for around £450. A HICap is about the same.
No rush though
No rush though
Edited by Tony1963 on Thursday 1st November 05:59
Firstly, get the LP12 seviced by a good dealer (new suspension springs/grommets/locknuts) and set up properly.
Then, personally I'd be looking at the Cirkus bearing upgrade, Trampolin II baseboard and a good power supply. Either a used (serviced) Valhalla from someone like Peter Swain at Cymbiosis, or possibly a Hercules II from Stamford Audio.
Then, personally I'd be looking at the Cirkus bearing upgrade, Trampolin II baseboard and a good power supply. Either a used (serviced) Valhalla from someone like Peter Swain at Cymbiosis, or possibly a Hercules II from Stamford Audio.
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Tuesday 30th October 13:32
Many thanks for all the suggestions.
I will concentrate on the LP12 first. Living in the middle of Scotland, I think taking it back to the factory might be an option too.
I agree, the Arcs are delightful. They have replaced an old pair of Briks that really had seen better days driven manfully by a dynavector amp.
The Pre Amp must need a service too - volume changes elicit crackling complaints.
I will concentrate on the LP12 first. Living in the middle of Scotland, I think taking it back to the factory might be an option too.
I agree, the Arcs are delightful. They have replaced an old pair of Briks that really had seen better days driven manfully by a dynavector amp.
The Pre Amp must need a service too - volume changes elicit crackling complaints.
Leithen said:
The Pre Amp must need a service too - volume changes elicit crackling complaints.
I think for the cost of a service for the 92 you could probably upgrade to a 102 and sell the 92. The 180 really was designed to run with 102 or 82, the 92 was meant for the similar looking NAP90. Obviously a better pre will benefit all source components. I would like to add my condolences on the loss of your father.
As to the system, have the LP12 checked over and then get on with enjoying the setup, as I reckon it’ll sound rather good. However, don’t let the wool be pulled over your eyes with regard to the LP12 checking. It’s a wooden box, a couple of bits of metal and three springs. It does not require a degree in rocket science and the host of mystical powers some would have you believe.
If the urge then takes you, then you could add more PSUs, baseboards, bearings and all sorts of exciting things that will empty your wallet but may not necessarily bring improvements commensurate with outlay! Then again, that’s never stopped me...
The items you have are all sound - enjoy them!
As to the system, have the LP12 checked over and then get on with enjoying the setup, as I reckon it’ll sound rather good. However, don’t let the wool be pulled over your eyes with regard to the LP12 checking. It’s a wooden box, a couple of bits of metal and three springs. It does not require a degree in rocket science and the host of mystical powers some would have you believe.
If the urge then takes you, then you could add more PSUs, baseboards, bearings and all sorts of exciting things that will empty your wallet but may not necessarily bring improvements commensurate with outlay! Then again, that’s never stopped me...
The items you have are all sound - enjoy them!
Yes, a HiCap makes a huge difference.
What I will add though, is make sure that if you do buy one that you connect the cables as per Naim's requirements. That means the HiCap is connected 'between' the pre and power amps.
Someone mentioned earlier about servicing Naim. Most Naim power supplies and power amps require a 'recap' after about ten years, although my 180 was fitted with twenty year capacitors at the factory. Pre amps can be left until there's a problem, which your 92 has. I'd sell it without fixing it as, unless you fix it yourself, you won't recoup the cost.
To determine the age of Naim boxes, scroll to the bottom of this page, serial numbers are on the back of the unit, and on the original packing box:
http://www.hifi-repairs.com/naim.htm
What I will add though, is make sure that if you do buy one that you connect the cables as per Naim's requirements. That means the HiCap is connected 'between' the pre and power amps.
Someone mentioned earlier about servicing Naim. Most Naim power supplies and power amps require a 'recap' after about ten years, although my 180 was fitted with twenty year capacitors at the factory. Pre amps can be left until there's a problem, which your 92 has. I'd sell it without fixing it as, unless you fix it yourself, you won't recoup the cost.
To determine the age of Naim boxes, scroll to the bottom of this page, serial numbers are on the back of the unit, and on the original packing box:
http://www.hifi-repairs.com/naim.htm
Edited by Tony1963 on Thursday 1st November 05:58
There's always a market for Naim, even empty cases sell! It's up to you. Maybe hang onto it until you've the opportunity to compare it to a 102? Your ears might tell you different things
I can highly recommend Class A, Avondale and Witch Hat Audio for servicing and repairs. Class A is Naim authorised. Avondale are legendary and can provide upgrades. Witch Hat is run by an ex-Naim guy. All good, all cheaper than the factory.
I can highly recommend Class A, Avondale and Witch Hat Audio for servicing and repairs. Class A is Naim authorised. Avondale are legendary and can provide upgrades. Witch Hat is run by an ex-Naim guy. All good, all cheaper than the factory.
Leithen said:
The Pre Amp must need a service too - volume changes elicit crackling complaints.
Quite easy to fix with a contact cleaning spray - silicone or similar. Similar to this: https://youtu.be/9ZxNtxOoeWA
NDA said:
Leithen said:
The Pre Amp must need a service too - volume changes elicit crackling complaints.
Quite easy to fix with a contact cleaning spray - silicone or similar. Similar to this: https://youtu.be/9ZxNtxOoeWA
I suspect there are some leaky caps causing DC offset somewhere, and the noise the OP can hear is the DC levels changing as the volume control is rotated.
This can be verified by looking at the woofers while rotating the control (with no signal present) - you will likely see the cones moving in and out.
Sounds like a nice inheritance and something to remember your father by using and enjoying. I bought my used Naim amps from Paul Hobson at Moorgate Acoustics (mentioned below) and looking at your gear I'd say you could get them to service both the amps and the LP12 they have an associated business onsite called Class A for repairs & servicing. Very reasonable and will only spend your budget / advise on what's most important.
I went from Naim NAIT to NAC 62 / NAP 140, then added a HICAP, then upgraded to NAC 72 and each time was pleased with the upgrade.
I went from Naim NAIT to NAC 62 / NAP 140, then added a HICAP, then upgraded to NAC 72 and each time was pleased with the upgrade.
Leithen said:
With my father having passed away last year, I find myself with his HiFi, a happy sentimental joy, with the added benefit that it sounds far better than my own setup.
The question I have, is whether to leave it exactly as it is, or to service, upgrade or add to it (sentiment means that replacement is not on the cards for now).
LP12 (Export) 1977/78 (I think unmolested and not upgraded in any way).
Grace Arm
Ortorfon MC 15 Super Cartridge
Arcam Alpha 7se CD Player
Naim NAC92
Naim NAP180
Shahinian Arc Speakers
I'd like to add a DAC, but not sure where to start. There is also an Arcam tuner, but I have no aerial to hook up to, and I'd rather try and stream from the internet.
The turntable and pre amp probably desperately need a service. I'm reluctant to throw upgrades at the LP12 unless there is anything that would make a stark difference.
The question I have, is whether to leave it exactly as it is, or to service, upgrade or add to it (sentiment means that replacement is not on the cards for now).
LP12 (Export) 1977/78 (I think unmolested and not upgraded in any way).
Grace Arm
Ortorfon MC 15 Super Cartridge
Arcam Alpha 7se CD Player
Naim NAC92
Naim NAP180
Shahinian Arc Speakers
I'd like to add a DAC, but not sure where to start. There is also an Arcam tuner, but I have no aerial to hook up to, and I'd rather try and stream from the internet.
The turntable and pre amp probably desperately need a service. I'm reluctant to throw upgrades at the LP12 unless there is anything that would make a stark difference.
Sorry for your loss. You have a wonderful system which will provide a lasting legacy of musical enjoyment. If it were mine, I would do the following:
Send the Naim boxes to either Darran at Class A in Sheffield or Mark at Witch Hat for a full service. Both are excellent. I’d keep the system ‘as is’. If you start Naim box swapping, it won’t be your fathers system any more! If you must, get a 102 which would be a worthwhile improvement. Add a NAPSC and HiCap if / whenever you like.
Resist the temptation to ‘upgrade’ the LP12. Its a slippery slope and will change the nature of the pre-cirkus deck you have. Keep it original (most of this era have been butchered) but have it rebuilt by the likes of Peter at Cymbiosis in Leicester. Probably a new cartridge or stylus if required (take Peters advice on that). It will then sound as good as new and better than a lot of far more expensive LP12’s which are not set up properly.
If you want to stream, how about just plugging something like a Sonos Connect or Yamaha WXC-50 into the 92. You can add a DAC later if you like but really no need. Control from an iPad or iPhone. Will sound great with all the music streaming and radio services and both are very stable and reliable.
Enjoy!
Send the Naim boxes to either Darran at Class A in Sheffield or Mark at Witch Hat for a full service. Both are excellent. I’d keep the system ‘as is’. If you start Naim box swapping, it won’t be your fathers system any more! If you must, get a 102 which would be a worthwhile improvement. Add a NAPSC and HiCap if / whenever you like.
Resist the temptation to ‘upgrade’ the LP12. Its a slippery slope and will change the nature of the pre-cirkus deck you have. Keep it original (most of this era have been butchered) but have it rebuilt by the likes of Peter at Cymbiosis in Leicester. Probably a new cartridge or stylus if required (take Peters advice on that). It will then sound as good as new and better than a lot of far more expensive LP12’s which are not set up properly.
If you want to stream, how about just plugging something like a Sonos Connect or Yamaha WXC-50 into the 92. You can add a DAC later if you like but really no need. Control from an iPad or iPhone. Will sound great with all the music streaming and radio services and both are very stable and reliable.
Enjoy!
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