Bond 23 - Skyfall

[daveknott5]

garrykiller said:

the last 2 bonds were utter garbage. i will not be in the queue when this comes out.

Granted "Quantum of Solace" was bad, but "Casino Royale" was great - best bond in years imo

[Zod]

I liked both. QoS slipped in the final half hour, but the general feel of the Craig films is a huge improvement on any Bond film since Thunderball.

[toppstuff]

Zod said:

I liked both. QoS slipped in the final half hour, but the general feel of the Craig films is a huge improvement on any Bond film since Thunderball.

Totally agree.

The Brosnan era films have dated horribly. They are pretty cringeworthy in places now.

[Zod]

toppstuff said:

Zod said:

I liked both. QoS slipped in the final half hour, but the general feel of the Craig films is a huge improvement on any Bond film since Thunderball.

Totally agree.

The Brosnan era films have dated horribly. They are pretty cringeworthy in places now.

Goldeneye still holds up, but they got steadily worse. Die Another Day was utterly dire, as bad as the later Roger Moore films (I have a soft spot for Live and Let Die and The Spy who Loved Me). The Dalton films are not bad.

[5439cc]

toppstuff said:

Totally agree.

The Brosnan era films have dated horribly. They are pretty cringeworthy in places now.

I'm inclined to agree too (to the last part) - but there was an element of comedy in the Brosnan films, which is lacking in the latest ones - but don't get me wrong i do like them though.

Oh, and that BMW 750iL in TND!

[P-Jay]

toppstuff said:

Totally agree.

The Brosnan era films have dated horribly. They are pretty cringeworthy in places now.

His acting was pretty st too, yeah I said it!

There's a scene in one of them when he discovers one of his Bond Girls (maybe Terri Hatcher??) has been killed, he turns to his side and bites the back of his hand for a second - it's possibly one of the most cringeworthyly examples of pithy acting I've ever seen.

Casino Royal was the best Bond I've ever seen, even if the actual Casino part dragged a bit. QoS was good, maybe just OK, but not great - still any film where the starring actor and director are doing quick on-set script re-writes is never going to be the best.

In regards to the Bognor thing - is it being filmed in Bognor, or based in Bognor? Hell they filmed Full Metal Jacket in London.

[Halb]

I hope it is set in England, it's about time!

[Northern Munkee]

Monaco or Bognor?

Austerity Bond the plot revolves around a Butlins Weekender?

[lauda]

Northern Munkee said:

Monaco or Bognor?

Austerity Bond the plot revolves around a Butlins Weekender?

Having spent the first 18 years of my life living in Bognor, I really am struggling to think of where on earth they are actually going to film any of this! The place really is a sthole and has only got worse in the last 10-15 years.

Perhaps Bond is going to be investigating a minor fencing operation run out of the snooker club above the pier?

[Zod]

"Bugger Bognor", as George V supposedly said in his dying breath.

[Beefmeister]

garrykiller said:

the last 2 bonds were utter garbage. i will not be in the queue when this comes out.

I think you'll be in the minority then.

I thought they were fantastic, agree with the points that QoS was a bit rubbish at the end, but all in all great films.

[garrykiller]

Beefmeister said:

I think you'll be in the minority then.

I thought they were fantastic, agree with the points that QoS was a bit rubbish at the end, but all in all great films.

Maybe so. i thought both movies were too "dark". Bond had no class what so ever. to me bond is cheesy one liners, gadgets and sleeping with the hot chick. i mean he didn’t even have sex with the girl in QoS because he was so emotionally fked up from CR! What the hell is that about? Plus Daniel Craig is an utter douche bag of the highest degree.

[Beefmeister]

garrykiller said:

Maybe so. i thought both movies were too "dark". Bond had no class what so ever. to me bond is cheesy one liners, gadgets and sleeping with the hot chick. i mean he didn’t even have sex with the girl in QoS because he was so emotionally fked up from CR! What the hell is that about? Plus Daniel Craig is an utter douche bag of the highest degree.

I think Daniel Craig's Bond is more like the Bond in the books. What we were used to is the cheesy Bond from earlier films, which isn't how Flemming wrote him.

DC is actually a very cool and very nice chap. Met him in a boozer in London a couple of years ago and he just chatted away.

[daveknott5]

Agreed, DC is the best Bond since Connery - and in some ways, my fave as he is an ice cold killer, vs the dumbed down cheese fest that was Brosnan/Moore etc.

[Halb]

daveknott5 said:

Agreed, DC is the best Bond since Connery - and in some ways, my fave as he is an ice cold killer, vs the dumbed down cheese fest that was Brosnan/Moore etc.

I like DC as BOnd, because it is right...then again I like RM as BOnd because he was right. The 70s and 80s were a different time. The 80sn were the decade of cheese, look at the top telly programmes. Look at the telly programme snow, gritty, real, hard edged.
I did feel that QoS went stepped back on the road to gadgetry a little, and it shouldn't go there. It shouldn't be a Borne copy either(Borne is OKish but so stupid sometimes).
Bond needs to be serious and dark, I think they have the right vague idea, just hope they can smooth out the doughy areas.

[AshVX220]

garrykiller said:

Maybe so. i thought both movies were too "dark". Bond had no class what so ever. to me bond is cheesy one liners, gadgets and sleeping with the hot chick. i mean he didn’t even have sex with the girl in QoS because he was so emotionally fked up from CR! What the hell is that about? Plus Daniel Craig is an utter douche bag of the highest degree.

^^^^
This, for me too Bond is about cheesy lines, gadgets and shagging the bond girl, before speeding off to shag someone else in a tasty car.

Maybe it's not how Fleming wrote it, but it's what made the franchise great IMO.

[KB_S1]

AshVX220 said:

^^^^
This, for me too Bond is about cheesy lines, gadgets and shagging the bond girl, before speeding off to shag someone else in a tasty car.

Maybe it's not how Fleming wrote it, but it's what made the franchise great IMO.

You have Austin Powers for that now though.

[AshVX220]

KB_S1 said:

AshVX220 said:

^^^^
This, for me too Bond is about cheesy lines, gadgets and shagging the bond girl, before speeding off to shag someone else in a tasty car.

Maybe it's not how Fleming wrote it, but it's what made the franchise great IMO.

You have Austin Powers for that now though.

I never did get into Austin Powers, I guess I'm missing out? But then Austn Powers is more comedy, Bond is more action (which I know contradicts the above bits about cheesy lines etc).

[DJFish]

I still maintain that George Lazenby had potential to be a brilliant Bond, OHMSS had a few dodgy moments but I still prefer it to most of the Moore films and the later Brosnan films.
I agree that really blatant product placement should be kept to a minimum, but then Flemings Bond was a bit of a brand snob.
It's the use of CGI I really dislike.

[Odie]

lets consider the wider picture

You have the 3 JBs

James Bond
Jason Bourne
Jack Bauer

I think Bond films are trying too hard to be like bourne and as such are losing alot of their charm.

I know some of you are going to disagree but the bond team could learn alot from the Johnny English films, some of the 'sketches' in JE2 are pure class and very well thought out and I think thats what the latest bond films are missing, the cleverness of bond.