The Men Who Made Us Fat
Discussion
The series (both thin/fat) is ok but there seems to be lack of any desire to remind people of their own culpability in that fat "problem". Basically the program(s) position is:
1) Food industry - it's their fault
2) Diet industry - it's their fault
3) Gymn industry - it's their fault
He's also pushed the other 2 agendas:
1) Diet can't help you lose weight
2) Exercise can't help you lose weight
I've got a feeling I'm watching 6 hours of programming that works to a conclusion of "blaming the man" when it could of been 30 mins that said:
Eat less calories than you spend = weight loss
Eat same calories as you spend = stable
The concern is the programs (and it's not just this series) are giving people an excuse and allowing them to say "it's not my fault it's X". You eat too much you get fat; you can question the ethics of Coca Cola etc for as long as you like but they're not forcing you to drink the Big Gulp or eat a doughnut for 4 people.
1) Food industry - it's their fault
2) Diet industry - it's their fault
3) Gymn industry - it's their fault
He's also pushed the other 2 agendas:
1) Diet can't help you lose weight
2) Exercise can't help you lose weight
I've got a feeling I'm watching 6 hours of programming that works to a conclusion of "blaming the man" when it could of been 30 mins that said:
Eat less calories than you spend = weight loss
Eat same calories as you spend = stable
The concern is the programs (and it's not just this series) are giving people an excuse and allowing them to say "it's not my fault it's X". You eat too much you get fat; you can question the ethics of Coca Cola etc for as long as you like but they're not forcing you to drink the Big Gulp or eat a doughnut for 4 people.
I haven't totally finished episode 2 yeat but am a bit concerned in episode 1 there was a lot of diet bashing but not enough emphasis on not doing fad diets but just eating helthily and in episode to they really downplayed the effects of exercise.
Also I don't see a problem with diets to lose wiehgt and then a chnage in lifestyle to maintain weight
As suggested in the end it comes down to the individual to show will pwoer.
Also I don't see a problem with diets to lose wiehgt and then a chnage in lifestyle to maintain weight
As suggested in the end it comes down to the individual to show will pwoer.
GnuBee said:
The series (both thin/fat) is ok but there seems to be lack of any desire to remind people of their own culpability in that fat "problem". Basically the program(s) position is:
1) Food industry - it's their fault
2) Diet industry - it's their fault
3) Gymn industry - it's their fault
Not been able to watch thin yet, but the culpability of the individual is certainly touched upon in Fat, especially ep 2. But the vast weight of responsibility does lie with the companies, with nutritionally imbalanced food, with ruthless marketing and with outright lies as to what is healthy, as the scientists and former food people all agreed to. The amount of food that the average supermarket offers is designed to make one fat.1) Food industry - it's their fault
2) Diet industry - it's their fault
3) Gymn industry - it's their fault
GnuBee said:
He's also pushed the other 2 agendas:
1) Diet can't help you lose weight
2) Exercise can't help you lose weight
I've got a feeling I'm watching 6 hours of programming that works to a conclusion of "blaming the man" when it could of been 30 mins that said:
Eat less calories than you spend = weight loss
Eat same calories as you spend = stable
The man is to be and should be blamed. It is likely not coincidence that the obesity epidemic reflects the change in food that has been on offer.1) Diet can't help you lose weight
2) Exercise can't help you lose weight
I've got a feeling I'm watching 6 hours of programming that works to a conclusion of "blaming the man" when it could of been 30 mins that said:
Eat less calories than you spend = weight loss
Eat same calories as you spend = stable
Calories are not equal, so it's not as simple as those equations.
GnuBee said:
The concern is the programs (and it's not just this series) are giving people an excuse and allowing them to say "it's not my fault it's X". You eat too much you get fat; you can question the ethics of Coca Cola etc for as long as you like but they're not forcing you to drink the Big Gulp or eat a doughnut for 4 people.
The vast majority is not the fault of the person. British people haven't suddenly changed in the past 40 years, and all become super gluttons. You eat too much poor low quality food which is passed off as healthy, then you get fat also. Go back and see what addictive substance are in these drinks, it's chemical. The same reason that over 90% of on the shelf products in the supermarket all have an added extra bonus as well I think. Humans have evolved to react to certain substances, the food industry knows this and has used it in the past 40 years to drive a road to obesity, doing their best to destroy/ignore/belittle the research that shows this en route.Edited by Halb on Sunday 18th August 15:34
Halb said:
Not been able to watch thin yet, but the culpability of the individual is certainly touched upon in Fat, especially ep 2. But the vast weight of responsibility does lie with the companies, with nutritionally imbalanced food, with ruthless marketing and with outright lies as to what is healthy, as the scientists and former food people all agreed to. The amount of food that the average supermarket offers is designed to make one fat.
The man is to be and should be blamed. It is likely not coincidence that the obesity epidemic reflects the change in food that has been on offer.
I don't think you can blame it all on "the man" and completely absolve people of some personal responsibility. Everyone knows firing in a McD's every day is bad for you yet there are still plenty who do after all.The man is to be and should be blamed. It is likely not coincidence that the obesity epidemic reflects the change in food that has been on offer.
The blame lies at both doors - food companies for their dodgy advertising and making food generally more fattening through increased added sugar, and people for just firing in s
te all the time.Halb said:
Calories are not equal, so it's not as simple as those equations.
They pretty much are. There aren't really magic calories that don't have any effect on the body. The only real difference between different calories is how you respond to them in terms of hunger signalling.Halb said:
The vast majority is not the fault of the person. British people haven't suddenly changed in the past 40 years, and all become super gluttons.
This is true, but it's not just that food has got worse, another aspect is that food has got cheaper in real terms, so people can afford to buy more of it.Halb said:
You eat too much poor low quality food which is passed off as healthy, then you get fat also. Go back and see what addictive substance are in these drinks, it's chemical. The same reason that over 90% of on the shelf products in the supermarket all have an added extra bonus as well I think.
Everything you eat is chemical.The addictive substance would be sugar I guess? As that's more or less the only addictive substance in most soft drinks and other processed products.
Flibble said:
Halb said:
Not been able to watch thin yet, but the culpability of the individual is certainly touched upon in Fat, especially ep 2. But the vast weight of responsibility does lie with the companies, with nutritionally imbalanced food, with ruthless marketing and with outright lies as to what is healthy, as the scientists and former food people all agreed to. The amount of food that the average supermarket offers is designed to make one fat.
The man is to be and should be blamed. It is likely not coincidence that the obesity epidemic reflects the change in food that has been on offer.
I don't think you can blame it all on "the man" and completely absolve people of some personal responsibility. Everyone knows firing in a McD's every day is bad for you yet there are still plenty who do after all.The man is to be and should be blamed. It is likely not coincidence that the obesity epidemic reflects the change in food that has been on offer.
The blame lies at both doors - food companies for their dodgy advertising and making food generally more fattening through increased added sugar, and people for just firing in s
te all the time.Flibble said:
Halb said:
Calories are not equal, so it's not as simple as those equations.
They pretty much are. There aren't really magic calories that don't have any effect on the body. The only real difference between different calories is how you respond to them in terms of hunger signalling.http://home.trainingpeaks.com/articles/nutrition/a...
http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/n...
http://www.runnersworld.com/the-starting-line/calo...
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20120626/all-calori...
Flibble said:
Halb said:
The vast majority is not the fault of the person. British people haven't suddenly changed in the past 40 years, and all become super gluttons.
This is true, but it's not just that food has got worse, another aspect is that food has got cheaper in real terms, so people can afford to buy more of it.Flibble said:
Halb said:
You eat too much poor low quality food which is passed off as healthy, then you get fat also. Go back and see what addictive substance are in these drinks, it's chemical. The same reason that over 90% of on the shelf products in the supermarket all have an added extra bonus as well I think.
Everything you eat is chemical.The addictive substance would be sugar I guess? As that's more or less the only addictive substance in most soft drinks and other processed products.
The programme is a crock of 54it.
It's presented by a fatty who gives up exercising after 5 mins at the start of episode 2 and claiming that exercise does not equal fat loss.
The solution is simple. Eat less and move more. Or eat clean at the very least.
Unless you can't exercise due to health reasons including disability, if you choose to gorge on countless junk food, drink to excess and not doing adequate exercise then it's no wonder people pile on the flab.
It's presented by a fatty who gives up exercising after 5 mins at the start of episode 2 and claiming that exercise does not equal fat loss.
The solution is simple. Eat less and move more. Or eat clean at the very least.
Unless you can't exercise due to health reasons including disability, if you choose to gorge on countless junk food, drink to excess and not doing adequate exercise then it's no wonder people pile on the flab.
mattikake said:
amare32 said:
The solution is simple. Eat less and move more. Or eat clean at the very least.
Noooo. The solution is simpler than that:- Kill fatties. Feed their entrails to the starving. Everyone becomes normal.
Vote for a better world. Vote me.
Halb said:
Same issue as always though, it is always someone else's fault. Unfortunately, it isn't (and I can say that as a ex lard lad, well generally 
).You have to understand the good & bad of the genetic draw (and accept/adapt accordingly, which I wasn't good at, if being honest) & then you're on your own.
DukeDickson said:
Same issue as always though, it is always someone else's fault. Unfortunately, it isn't (and I can say that as a ex lard lad, well generally ).
You have to understand the good & bad of the genetic draw (and accept/adapt accordingly, which I wasn't good at, if being honest) & then you're on your own.
Not 100%, but the environment is more at fault in my opinion. ).You have to understand the good & bad of the genetic draw (and accept/adapt accordingly, which I wasn't good at, if being honest) & then you're on your own.
The 'on your own attitude' obviously isn't working.
DukeDickson said:
then you're on your own.
I wish it wasn't so, but it is. What annoys me most is the medical
"But what about the French? Some regions eat a very fatty diet, they aren't obese."
"The exception that proves the rule." (*)
"And the Japanese? They eat a lot of salt. They aren't obese."
"Shut up and eat your low fat yoghurt!"
* Scientifically speaking, this statement is junk. The exception proves the rule WRONG.
Halb said:
GnuBee said:
The series (both thin/fat) is ok but there seems to be lack of any desire to remind people of their own culpability in that fat "problem". Basically the program(s) position is:
1) Food industry - it's their fault
2) Diet industry - it's their fault
3) Gymn industry - it's their fault
Not been able to watch thin yet, but the culpability of the individual is certainly touched upon in Fat, especially ep 2. But the vast weight of responsibility does lie with the companies, with nutritionally imbalanced food, with ruthless marketing and with outright lies as to what is healthy, as the scientists and former food people all agreed to. The amount of food that the average supermarket offers is designed to make one fat.1) Food industry - it's their fault
2) Diet industry - it's their fault
3) Gymn industry - it's their fault
GnuBee said:
He's also pushed the other 2 agendas:
1) Diet can't help you lose weight
2) Exercise can't help you lose weight
I've got a feeling I'm watching 6 hours of programming that works to a conclusion of "blaming the man" when it could of been 30 mins that said:
Eat less calories than you spend = weight loss
Eat same calories as you spend = stable
The man is to be and should be blamed. It is likely not coincidence that the obesity epidemic reflects the change in food that has been on offer.1) Diet can't help you lose weight
2) Exercise can't help you lose weight
I've got a feeling I'm watching 6 hours of programming that works to a conclusion of "blaming the man" when it could of been 30 mins that said:
Eat less calories than you spend = weight loss
Eat same calories as you spend = stable
Calories are not equal, so it's not as simple as those equations.
GnuBee said:
The concern is the programs (and it's not just this series) are giving people an excuse and allowing them to say "it's not my fault it's X". You eat too much you get fat; you can question the ethics of Coca Cola etc for as long as you like but they're not forcing you to drink the Big Gulp or eat a doughnut for 4 people.
The vast majority is not the fault of the person. British people haven't suddenly changed in the past 40 years, and all become super gluttons. You eat too much poor low quality food which is passed off as healthy, then you get fat also. Go back and see what addictive substance are in these drinks, it's chemical. The same reason that over 90% of on the shelf products in the supermarket all have an added extra bonus as well I think. Humans have evolved to react to certain substances, the food industry knows this and has used it in the past 40 years to drive a road to obesity, doing their best to destroy/ignore/belittle the research that shows this en route.Edited by Halb on Sunday 18th August 15:34
I'm about 2 stone overweight, and 1 stone of that is from the past year alone. I know exactly why I'm fat. Its because I spend too long sitting about eating lard. If I ate more leaves, and moved about a bit more I would be healther.
98elise said:
Basic meat, veg and salad is still available in every supermarket. None of the crap foof is forced on anyone. All thats happened is we have greater choice, and most chose to eat the crap.
Nobody anywhere is forced to do anything. But larger supermarkets take custom from more local easily accessible shops, style moves towards doing larger bulk shops as supermarkets move out of town. Most premade packaged food is filled with sugar/salt (whatever) for reasons discussed in thread, even savoury or some meats. As well as misinformation about what is healthy. The move is to sell more and more for less and less, adding certain things helps achieve this.98elise said:
I'm about 2 stone overweight, and 1 stone of that is from the past year alone. I know exactly why I'm fat. Its because I spend too long sitting about eating lard. If I ate more leaves, and moved about a bit more I would be healther.
Can you explain to me what you do about clothes.When your trousers get to tight, do you think,"I must get some bigger trousers" or do you think "I must stop eating so much s
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