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I still think it'd have been better to develop universal battery packs that you can swap over for a freshly charged one at an automated facility. Would be much quicker and you'd not actually own the battery so the car would be a lot cheaper. The cost would be factored in whenever you swapped the battery over. They would always be in good condition and as technology improves the range in a standard pack would increase.
AJLintern said:
I still think it'd have been better to develop universal battery packs that you can swap over for a freshly charged one at an automated facility. Would be much quicker and you'd not actually own the battery so the car would be a lot cheaper. The cost would be factored in whenever you swapped the battery over. They would always be in good condition and as technology improves the range in a standard pack would increase.
Wouldn't that be the equivalent of everyone using the same type of video tape though? They can't even agree on having all the same charge cables.Something people often don't realise is that the faster you charge your batteries, the less their capacity. Not only that, but the losses in the system while charging increase as the square of the charge rate (I^2R losses). This can be partly avoided by using a higher voltage supply, but you still get the same square-law losses within your car charging system.
So, basically, if you charge your EcoThrustNuke at 350kW, you won't get the same range as if you charge at 50kW, and a disproportionate amount of the power you are paying for is converted straight to heat before it fills the cells.
So, basically, if you charge your EcoThrustNuke at 350kW, you won't get the same range as if you charge at 50kW, and a disproportionate amount of the power you are paying for is converted straight to heat before it fills the cells.
I really enjoyed Harry’s drive in the Audi too- what a car. However all the current you tube EV content is concentrated on massively expensive oversized and overweight hyper saloons which really are irrelevant for the masses. Aside from the e Corsa, Zoe and e208 there aren’t many everyday electric hatches out there within reach of normal budgets. I’m looking forward to the electric Fiesta ST line or similar and the review on Harry’s garage. Also, most people arguably don’t need sub 6 second 0-60 times - they need range. Time this reality dawned on manufacturers. The only small car really fitting the brief for me right now is the Renault Zoe.
I know Harry was pleased with how accurate the range-o-meter was, but they can only calculate based on past journeys. Same as the trip computer in an ICE car. If you wake up the next day and it's -5 and are going on holiday with a fully laden car it won't go anywhere near the range you were hoping...
milu said:
Flipping fast though. Those shots from behind as it took off were amazing.
Maybe the lack of noise and sideways action but to me looked shockingly quick
Yeah, its rare cars actually look quick on film, that looked properly rapid. Harrys reviews are very balanced and realistic with none of the hyperbole and anti EV rhetoric, if a bloke who has that level of interest and knowledge of supercars and classics appreciates them I think I can manage to. Think Harry and Jayemm are the most objective out there at the moment.Maybe the lack of noise and sideways action but to me looked shockingly quick
I get that these are expensive and the range is crap but if you can live with that it looks a very polished effort.
I think that in the years to come there will be some landmark developments that just remove the barriers to entry one by one, its just the way things happen with tech and these will look kind of hobbled and antiquated in five years compared to what is coming out then, I cant see it being any other way.
Need those solid state batteries in the game, split the difference between reduced weight and increased range and bring the costs down.
greenarrow said:
. Time this reality dawned on manufacturers.
It's got nothing to do with needing to "dawn" on anyone.The reason most EVs are powerful is because they have big batteries in order to get enough range, ie the big power bit comes for free.
As it stands, at the current production volumes and with the current limited supply chains, the manufacturers could not churn out millions of low cost, short range, low power EVs even if they wanted too, and of course, they don't want too! Why would you sell a low profit margin car to someone who will currently buy one of your existing ICE cars and then not be able to sell a very high profit margin car to someone who really wants an EV and won't buy one of your ICEs?? The answer is, you wouldn't of course!
Things are changing. Massive battery manufacturing supply chains are falling into place, powertrains developed and paid for by halo models are slowly becoming available too, or helping the development of, lower cost, less powerful powertrains for cheaper cars. But this will take time. It'll be a while (but not long in real terms) before we see a BEV fiesta or polo.
Pistom said:
AJLintern said:
I still think it'd have been better to develop universal battery packs that you can swap over for a freshly charged one at an automated facility. Would be much quicker and you'd not actually own the battery so the car would be a lot cheaper. The cost would be factored in whenever you swapped the battery over. They would always be in good condition and as technology improves the range in a standard pack would increase.
Wouldn't that be the equivalent of everyone using the same type of video tape though? They can't even agree on having all the same charge cables.Isn't there already a BEV Fiesta? Or is it a Trace Fiesta?
At least this Audi is one step closer to the chap who lives in a tower block being able to do his daily commute to Mogadishu. The default PH range requirement for the past 15 years.
Even so the excessive performance is actually a bit of an issue as people such as my wife, who would like an EV, would benefit from an EV and would need to have a family sized, long range EV should manifestly not be weaponised with some sub 4s, 2.5 ton wagon for the basic sake of everyone else on the road.
At least this Audi is one step closer to the chap who lives in a tower block being able to do his daily commute to Mogadishu. The default PH range requirement for the past 15 years.
Even so the excessive performance is actually a bit of an issue as people such as my wife, who would like an EV, would benefit from an EV and would need to have a family sized, long range EV should manifestly not be weaponised with some sub 4s, 2.5 ton wagon for the basic sake of everyone else on the road.
AJLintern said:
I still think it'd have been better to develop universal battery packs that you can swap over for a freshly charged one at an automated facility. Would be much quicker and you'd not actually own the battery so the car would be a lot cheaper. The cost would be factored in whenever you swapped the battery over. They would always be in good condition and as technology improves the range in a standard pack would increase.
But it it cost more than say £5 per battery it wouldn't be economic. Even if the car was a lot cheaper, no one's going to pay hundreds for a 200 miles of range.
RichB said:
DonkeyApple said:
...excessive performance is actually a bit of an issue...
I am not a BEV expert but would capping the performance increase battery range? No one needs 0-62 sub 4 seconds in an everyday car. 
VW do a sensible 8s EV but perfection would be a car that is two different things for two different family drivers.
DonkeyApple said:
Isn't there already a BEV Fiesta? Or is it a Trace Fiesta?
At least this Audi is one step closer to the chap who lives in a tower block being able to do his daily commute to Mogadishu. The default PH range requirement for the past 15 years.
Even so the excessive performance is actually a bit of an issue as people such as my wife, who would like an EV, would benefit from an EV and would need to have a family sized, long range EV should manifestly not be weaponised with some sub 4s, 2.5 ton wagon for the basic sake of everyone else on the road.
Agree, the way that thing takes off will result in a lot of big accidents for even experienced drivers let alone the inexperienced!At least this Audi is one step closer to the chap who lives in a tower block being able to do his daily commute to Mogadishu. The default PH range requirement for the past 15 years.
Even so the excessive performance is actually a bit of an issue as people such as my wife, who would like an EV, would benefit from an EV and would need to have a family sized, long range EV should manifestly not be weaponised with some sub 4s, 2.5 ton wagon for the basic sake of everyone else on the road.
A bit like the Lotus Carlton of old.
AJLintern said:
Er that video is from 2013... I don't recall seeing any Tesla battery swapping stations anywhere 
You mean Elon told potential buyers he would deliver functionality in the future that he had no intention on creating? To say I am not an Elon fan is an understatement. I have no idea how he has been able to mislead his customers and con them for so long and get away with it.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff