24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4
Discussion
Gameface said:
Some of the sentences have been a joke.
Any judge who is consistently lenient on paedophiles should be looked into.
They touched on one of the main reasons for lenient custodial sentencing in the program. We just don't have enough space in prisons.Any judge who is consistently lenient on paedophiles should be looked into.
Go on to any one of a dozen or more threads in here about sentences for causing death by dangerous driving etc - same thing.
The vast majority of the general public want tougher custodial sentencing for absolutely everything, and at the same time they don't want to have a hike in taxes to pay for it all.
It costs over £40k per year just to house an inmate. In the UK we have over 90,000 in the system at the moment. Not sure how much it would cost to build a new prison that could house lets say 1000 prisoners but it ain't going to be cheap. £150-£200 million?
So assume that we want 10 new prisons to house an extra 10,000 inmates.
An extra £2bn just in contruction costs. Then there's the £40k per year cost to house the extra prisoners.
Then there would have to be tougher sentencing guidelines for the the courts and the cost associated with all the new legistlation.
Hands up all those who want tougher custodial sentencing.
Hands up all those who want an increase in income tax to pay for it.
The guy who cried a lot and got the heads up from his parents -
Police programs spend so much time telling us that even if you delete stuff off your phone/pc that it can still be found or uncovered yet they took one look at his pc and said that he had deleted everything (because he had time to after mum called him) and that was it.
Was he not worth doing some digging on?
Police programs spend so much time telling us that even if you delete stuff off your phone/pc that it can still be found or uncovered yet they took one look at his pc and said that he had deleted everything (because he had time to after mum called him) and that was it.
Was he not worth doing some digging on?
As others have said, the paedophile program is seriously uncomfortable viewing. I watched the episode last night and the bits where the first guy was arrested and questioned were really hard to sit through. You could see his world collapsing around him as he was confronted, arrested and charged and whilst I didn't feel any sympathy for him, it felt quite voyeuristic to be watching it happen.
I also found the case of the guy who got away with a caution really disturbing. Listening to the phonecall where he told his dad what was happening and then the later interview where he said his parents had been supportive was a bit of a mindf
k. I always tell my kids that they can be 100% honest with me and their mum and that we'd rather they told us the truth, whatever it was, and that we'd help them. I don't think I could be true to my word in those circumstances though.
I also found the case of the guy who got away with a caution really disturbing. Listening to the phonecall where he told his dad what was happening and then the later interview where he said his parents had been supportive was a bit of a mindf
k. I always tell my kids that they can be 100% honest with me and their mum and that we'd rather they told us the truth, whatever it was, and that we'd help them. I don't think I could be true to my word in those circumstances though. It's an uncomfortable subject but it shows the side of policing people dont often see. Sadly I've had a lot of exposure to people like this and I have nothing but contempt for them but I do feel sorry for their wives/families etc as they're often totally oblivious to it. You can literally see their lives falling apart as you drag their husband out of bed after taking their front door off. Sad really but what's even sadder is the dept that deals with them has a list as long as your arm of jobs to do with all the referrals that come from ISPs etc and someone has to decide which ones are most urgent as you cant do them all.
The offenders never seem shocked by our arrival, always too calm at which point you know they're guilty as sin. I've seen my fair share of material after searching far too many houses, it never gets any less horrible.
bds.
The offenders never seem shocked by our arrival, always too calm at which point you know they're guilty as sin. I've seen my fair share of material after searching far too many houses, it never gets any less horrible.
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ds. Greendubber said:
The offenders never seem shocked by our arrival, always too calm at which point you know they're guilty as sin. I've seen my fair share of material after searching far too many houses, it never gets any less horrible.
I was saying to my wife last night whilst we were watching it that it must be an incredibly difficult job to work in that particular area. I know that I couldn't deal with exposure to sort of material these people make, distribute and consume but I'm grateful that some people can and I suppose there must be significant satisfaction when people are bought to justice. Although some of the joke sentencing that's already been mentioned must be quite difficult to deal with.What's the burn-out rate like for people working in this area Greendubber? It must get to you after a while and I'm guessing cases of PTSD and the like are much higher than in most other lines of police work?
zygalski said:
They touched on one of the main reasons for lenient custodial sentencing in the program. We just don't have enough space in prisons.
Go on to any one of a dozen or more threads in here about sentences for causing death by dangerous driving etc - same thing.
The vast majority of the general public want tougher custodial sentencing for absolutely everything, and at the same time they don't want to have a hike in taxes to pay for it all.
It costs over £40k per year just to house an inmate. In the UK we have over 90,000 in the system at the moment. Not sure how much it would cost to build a new prison that could house lets say 1000 prisoners but it ain't going to be cheap. £150-£200 million?
So assume that we want 10 new prisons to house an extra 10,000 inmates.
An extra £2bn just in contruction costs. Then there's the £40k per year cost to house the extra prisoners.
Then there would have to be tougher sentencing guidelines for the the courts and the cost associated with all the new legistlation.
Hands up all those who want tougher custodial sentencing.
Hands up all those who want an increase in income tax to pay for it.
Doesn't the £40k figure include the cost of the building? Go on to any one of a dozen or more threads in here about sentences for causing death by dangerous driving etc - same thing.
The vast majority of the general public want tougher custodial sentencing for absolutely everything, and at the same time they don't want to have a hike in taxes to pay for it all.
It costs over £40k per year just to house an inmate. In the UK we have over 90,000 in the system at the moment. Not sure how much it would cost to build a new prison that could house lets say 1000 prisoners but it ain't going to be cheap. £150-£200 million?
So assume that we want 10 new prisons to house an extra 10,000 inmates.
An extra £2bn just in contruction costs. Then there's the £40k per year cost to house the extra prisoners.
Then there would have to be tougher sentencing guidelines for the the courts and the cost associated with all the new legistlation.
Hands up all those who want tougher custodial sentencing.
Hands up all those who want an increase in income tax to pay for it.
Dr Jekyll said:
zygalski said:
They touched on one of the main reasons for lenient custodial sentencing in the program. We just don't have enough space in prisons.
Go on to any one of a dozen or more threads in here about sentences for causing death by dangerous driving etc - same thing.
The vast majority of the general public want tougher custodial sentencing for absolutely everything, and at the same time they don't want to have a hike in taxes to pay for it all.
It costs over £40k per year just to house an inmate. In the UK we have over 90,000 in the system at the moment. Not sure how much it would cost to build a new prison that could house lets say 1000 prisoners but it ain't going to be cheap. £150-£200 million?
So assume that we want 10 new prisons to house an extra 10,000 inmates.
An extra £2bn just in contruction costs. Then there's the £40k per year cost to house the extra prisoners.
Then there would have to be tougher sentencing guidelines for the the courts and the cost associated with all the new legistlation.
Hands up all those who want tougher custodial sentencing.
Hands up all those who want an increase in income tax to pay for it.
Doesn't the £40k figure include the cost of the building? Go on to any one of a dozen or more threads in here about sentences for causing death by dangerous driving etc - same thing.
The vast majority of the general public want tougher custodial sentencing for absolutely everything, and at the same time they don't want to have a hike in taxes to pay for it all.
It costs over £40k per year just to house an inmate. In the UK we have over 90,000 in the system at the moment. Not sure how much it would cost to build a new prison that could house lets say 1000 prisoners but it ain't going to be cheap. £150-£200 million?
So assume that we want 10 new prisons to house an extra 10,000 inmates.
An extra £2bn just in contruction costs. Then there's the £40k per year cost to house the extra prisoners.
Then there would have to be tougher sentencing guidelines for the the courts and the cost associated with all the new legistlation.
Hands up all those who want tougher custodial sentencing.
Hands up all those who want an increase in income tax to pay for it.
lauda said:
Greendubber said:
The offenders never seem shocked by our arrival, always too calm at which point you know they're guilty as sin. I've seen my fair share of material after searching far too many houses, it never gets any less horrible.
I was saying to my wife last night whilst we were watching it that it must be an incredibly difficult job to work in that particular area. I know that I couldn't deal with exposure to sort of material these people make, distribute and consume but I'm grateful that some people can and I suppose there must be significant satisfaction when people are bought to justice. Although some of the joke sentencing that's already been mentioned must be quite difficult to deal with.What's the burn-out rate like for people working in this area Greendubber? It must get to you after a while and I'm guessing cases of PTSD and the like are much higher than in most other lines of police work?
Burn out in general is quite high in the police at the moment across the board. Expected to do much more with less officers so it takes its toll. I had to step back a bit last year, another role we have is body recovery and I'd just had enough and needed to look after myself a bit for a while. All good now though.
tim0409 said:
I thought it was interesting that the person alerted by his parents was able to wipe his devices to the extent that the data was irrecoverable. I know it can be done but I thought it required software (ie not simple deleting the files), or has this changed with encrypted ssd drives?
Asked that earlier - hopefully dubber can answer. tim0409 said:
I thought it was interesting that the person alerted by his parents was able to wipe his devices to the extent that the data was irrecoverable. I know it can be done but I thought it required software (ie not simple deleting the files), or has this changed with encrypted ssd drives?
I dont know enough about it TBH, there are e-forensic examiners but I guess there are always those who can defeat them. Greendubber said:
tim0409 said:
I thought it was interesting that the person alerted by his parents was able to wipe his devices to the extent that the data was irrecoverable. I know it can be done but I thought it required software (ie not simple deleting the files), or has this changed with encrypted ssd drives?
I dont know enough about it TBH, there are e-forensic examiners but I guess there are always those who can defeat them. He did also have a laptop though and I’m not sure how easy it is to completely wipe data from these. I’m sure the answer is probably only a google search away if you wanted/needed to find out though.
Greendubber said:
Its not my full time role luckily as part of my job is supporting other departments with entry to buildings, searching premises etc amongst lots of other specialist bits and bobs. We work along side the detectives that are running the investigations so I've probably done hundreds of searches on this sort of job over the years. Fortunately finding actual printed images is very rare but we found some about 6 months ago shoved into a drawer with a load of old utility bills. Quite often the houses are a bit horder like, single old blokes, messy houses, broken train set bits all over the place etc. I know quite a few of the DCs that are having to look at the images and it seems like they can either do it and just crack on or they simply cant bring themselves to look at them at all, I wouldn't fancy it.
Burn out in general is quite high in the police at the moment across the board. Expected to do much more with less officers so it takes its toll. I had to step back a bit last year, another role we have is body recovery and I'd just had enough and needed to look after myself a bit for a while. All good now though.
Thanks for the reply. Sorry to hear that you’ve had your own issues but glad that you’ve come through it. I can imagine that body recovery is a pretty harrowing task and all this serves as a reminder of the difficult jobs that our emergency services perform that the rest of us never think about. Burn out in general is quite high in the police at the moment across the board. Expected to do much more with less officers so it takes its toll. I had to step back a bit last year, another role we have is body recovery and I'd just had enough and needed to look after myself a bit for a while. All good now though.
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