24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4
Discussion
Jim H said:
As a Shotgun license holder myself I took a bit of an interest in this case, I wish I hadn t - grim. When it first happened I was thinking how could an 18 year old get hold of a Shotgun in Luton.
I find it hard to believe that he hadn t stood out before, or perhaps his mental condition broke down rapidly. He was clearly one very disturbed individual.
On the issue of the actual licence, I m sure I d read he had created the fake one by researching what they look like on the web. Now let s just say it s not an overly complicated document, but still for an 18 year old to do so?. And it must have been a very good fake to trick the seller of the weapon. License holders do take a lot of responsibility towards this very seriously.
I m sure the seller must be tortured absolutely by this tragedy. That poor family.
Having said that, the whole thing could have been at lot worse if he d carried out his original intention.
It definitely will make changes to the license document, and how they held on a database - and the sale of weapons. It has to.
You'd hope so but I fear the risk and attention this got just won't prompt them to act quick enough. Will probably take years unfortunately. I find it hard to believe that he hadn t stood out before, or perhaps his mental condition broke down rapidly. He was clearly one very disturbed individual.
On the issue of the actual licence, I m sure I d read he had created the fake one by researching what they look like on the web. Now let s just say it s not an overly complicated document, but still for an 18 year old to do so?. And it must have been a very good fake to trick the seller of the weapon. License holders do take a lot of responsibility towards this very seriously.
I m sure the seller must be tortured absolutely by this tragedy. That poor family.
Having said that, the whole thing could have been at lot worse if he d carried out his original intention.
It definitely will make changes to the license document, and how they held on a database - and the sale of weapons. It has to.
C5_Steve said:
Jim H said:
As a Shotgun license holder myself I took a bit of an interest in this case, I wish I hadn t - grim. When it first happened I was thinking how could an 18 year old get hold of a Shotgun in Luton.
I find it hard to believe that he hadn t stood out before, or perhaps his mental condition broke down rapidly. He was clearly one very disturbed individual.
On the issue of the actual licence, I m sure I d read he had created the fake one by researching what they look like on the web. Now let s just say it s not an overly complicated document, but still for an 18 year old to do so?. And it must have been a very good fake to trick the seller of the weapon. License holders do take a lot of responsibility towards this very seriously.
I m sure the seller must be tortured absolutely by this tragedy. That poor family.
Having said that, the whole thing could have been at lot worse if he d carried out his original intention.
It definitely will make changes to the license document, and how they held on a database - and the sale of weapons. It has to.
You'd hope so but I fear the risk and attention this got just won't prompt them to act quick enough. Will probably take years unfortunately. I find it hard to believe that he hadn t stood out before, or perhaps his mental condition broke down rapidly. He was clearly one very disturbed individual.
On the issue of the actual licence, I m sure I d read he had created the fake one by researching what they look like on the web. Now let s just say it s not an overly complicated document, but still for an 18 year old to do so?. And it must have been a very good fake to trick the seller of the weapon. License holders do take a lot of responsibility towards this very seriously.
I m sure the seller must be tortured absolutely by this tragedy. That poor family.
Having said that, the whole thing could have been at lot worse if he d carried out his original intention.
It definitely will make changes to the license document, and how they held on a database - and the sale of weapons. It has to.
Considered this also, I think a lot of shooters will be thinking of surrendering their licences over the coming years with the introduction of lead (ammunition) ban. What is an expensive hobby is going to become extremely so. And many weapons will become obsolete scrap if they cannot be proofed to fire steel ammunition economically.
Jim H said:
Quite a few changes came relatively quickly after the Plymouth shooting. Looking at my license renewal it s double the price of what it was prior (because of the increased checks). Plus you have to have supporting medical (Doctors note) and that costs. I generally am of the view that the governance / law would prefer no firearms in public hands altogether.
Considered this also, I think a lot of shooters will be thinking of surrendering their licences over the coming years with the introduction of lead (ammunition) ban. What is an expensive hobby is going to become extremely so. And many weapons will become obsolete scrap if they cannot be proofed to fire steel ammunition economically.
Sounds like the changes are going to have the desired effect then. Given that the licensing changes are likely to have little to no effect on the problem of criminals using firearms that are already illegal and the lead ban is going to do precisely nothing for the environment but purely by chance will make many existing firearms and shotguns impossible or prohibitively expensive to use, with the option to further tighten the screw by making running a range more and more expensive, no doubt forcing some to close.Considered this also, I think a lot of shooters will be thinking of surrendering their licences over the coming years with the introduction of lead (ammunition) ban. What is an expensive hobby is going to become extremely so. And many weapons will become obsolete scrap if they cannot be proofed to fire steel ammunition economically.
fourstardan said:
Legacywr said:
The Essex Murders: Who Killed Goldfinger.
An investigation into the murder of John Palmer.
A 3 parter on Sky Documentaries is a pretty good watch.
Is that the Bristolian guy from that series on the BBC ? lolAn investigation into the murder of John Palmer.
A 3 parter on Sky Documentaries is a pretty good watch.
LordLoveLength said:
A new 2 parter starts next Monday @ 9
Cheers! Sky won't let me record that one yet but there's the older one on tonight at 9pm for anyone who missed it.Sky said:
...Living the High Life: In the small towns and villages of Bedfordshire, police investigate a surge in drug use where a major fraud is linked to a local gang exploiting vulnerable youths.
Edited by thetapeworm on Monday 8th December 06:28
I thought it slightly odd that the female officer guarding the scene of the first shooting told that chap that his nephew had been killed, then later told the same man that his brother had been killed at the second scene. Isn't it usual for formal identifications to take place before confirming such things, and then get specially-trained officers to break the news? Or were her actions appropriate for what was an ongoing and chaotic situation?
Also, keeping the main suspect and his daughter in custody in the same police station (so he could shout through his cell door at her) didn't seem very wise.
Also, keeping the main suspect and his daughter in custody in the same police station (so he could shout through his cell door at her) didn't seem very wise.
Blimey. Pretty astonishing goings on.
I thought it was smart of the cops to let the dad know his daughter was stewing in the cell opposite, also under suspicion of double murder. It might encourage him to come clean to minimise the impact on her. After all, according to his logic he only tried to do what was best for his family.
I thought it was smart of the cops to let the dad know his daughter was stewing in the cell opposite, also under suspicion of double murder. It might encourage him to come clean to minimise the impact on her. After all, according to his logic he only tried to do what was best for his family.
Mandat said:
C69 said:
Also, keeping the main suspect and his daughter in custody in the same police station (so he could shout through his cell door at her) didn't seem very wise.
I thought that the police did this on purpose, to play on his emotions & to persuade him to talk. Gassing Station | TV, Film, Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff