24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4
Discussion
2fast748 said:
I suspect we are told the story of these crimes that the police want us to know. The midlands police probably knew who it was but needed the physical evidence to prove it.
The unrecovered money should be a nice bargaining chip to keep them inside when the parole board start visiting. POCA?
Totally, about 3/4 of the way through I said to my wife, it is obvious they have done it, and they must get sent down for it, otherwise it wouldn't be on TV, but at the time all they had on them was some rubbish that placed them at the cottage, surely a decent brief would have that dismissed in minutes as my client was on holiday with his mates...The unrecovered money should be a nice bargaining chip to keep them inside when the parole board start visiting. POCA?
There will be a lot we never get to see because they don't get convicted.
Megaflow said:
2fast748 said:
I suspect we are told the story of these crimes that the police want us to know. The midlands police probably knew who it was but needed the physical evidence to prove it.
The unrecovered money should be a nice bargaining chip to keep them inside when the parole board start visiting. POCA?
Totally, about 3/4 of the way through I said to my wife, it is obvious they have done it, and they must get sent down for it, otherwise it wouldn't be on TV, but at the time all they had on them was some rubbish that placed them at the cottage, surely a decent brief would have that dismissed in minutes as my client was on holiday with his mates...The unrecovered money should be a nice bargaining chip to keep them inside when the parole board start visiting. POCA?
There will be a lot we never get to see because they don't get convicted.
t, Sherlock.The Mad Monk said:
A pretty big clue is when individuals are named, or their likeness shown.
Exactly, that's always the case but reminds me of the fella who was incorrectly arrested for the phone box rape a few epidoses back. Arrested because one of the coppas 'though he looked like' the perpetrator from grainy CCTV image. Kidnapped for extended time (>24 hours) and the police basically raped him with intimate examinations. I hope he was handsomly compensatedalone wolf said:
The Mad Monk said:
A pretty big clue is when individuals are named, or their likeness shown.
Exactly, that's always the case but reminds me of the fella who was incorrectly arrested for the phone box rape a few epidoses back. Arrested because one of the coppas 'though he looked like' the perpetrator from grainy CCTV image. Kidnapped for extended time (>24 hours) and the police basically raped him with intimate examinations. I hope he was handsomly compensatedWatched that Real CSI episode with the ATM bandits last night.
Maybe this is a strange thing to think, but I was pleased to see the police tackling more professional thieves. 24 Hours and the like are usually dealing with the bottom of the barrel junkies and street violence.
They made small mistakes, but the biggest mistake they made was hanging around an area too long. If they'd headed down South, or as one of them said headed over to mainland Europe I think they'd have gotten away with it. I don't think any single CID team would have caught them, but once a task force was created they were at a bigger disadvantage.
And of course phones, working in Tech I can think of so many better ways to comunicate without relying on normal mobile communications or even EncroChat devices, but we're all guilty of taking these little GPS trackers around with us and sharing our entire lives on them.
Maybe this is a strange thing to think, but I was pleased to see the police tackling more professional thieves. 24 Hours and the like are usually dealing with the bottom of the barrel junkies and street violence.
They made small mistakes, but the biggest mistake they made was hanging around an area too long. If they'd headed down South, or as one of them said headed over to mainland Europe I think they'd have gotten away with it. I don't think any single CID team would have caught them, but once a task force was created they were at a bigger disadvantage.
And of course phones, working in Tech I can think of so many better ways to comunicate without relying on normal mobile communications or even EncroChat devices, but we're all guilty of taking these little GPS trackers around with us and sharing our entire lives on them.
Although there was an element of luck involved in traffic pol spotting a partially covered car, they just have to be lucky once.
The crims will get complacent and leave a breadcrumb trail, even if it is a pattern of clean crime scenes.
I can see tech playing a big role in solving these sort of crimes in the future.
AI is perfect for cross checking huge numbers of cctv cameras for number plates, faces and mobile data correlation that would take a human weeks. Could also pick up spotter cars and reconnaissance in the weeks before.
P.S. Next Thursday on More4 is a repeat of the sextortion blackmail - if you know you know, well worth a watch if you haven’t seen it.
The crims will get complacent and leave a breadcrumb trail, even if it is a pattern of clean crime scenes.
I can see tech playing a big role in solving these sort of crimes in the future.
AI is perfect for cross checking huge numbers of cctv cameras for number plates, faces and mobile data correlation that would take a human weeks. Could also pick up spotter cars and reconnaissance in the weeks before.
P.S. Next Thursday on More4 is a repeat of the sextortion blackmail - if you know you know, well worth a watch if you haven’t seen it.
Castrol for a knave said:
The Mad Monk said:
P-Jay said:
And of course phones, working in Tech I can think of so many better ways to comunicate without relying on normal mobile communications or even EncroChat devices,
e.g.?Personally, without going full Jason Bourne, if I was in that line of work I’d use a modern iPhone without biometric access, I’d use a complex device passcode, say a 16 digit alphanumeric passcode, something I could remember but no based on simple stuff like kids birthdays etc. Keep the iOS up to date a no iCloud backup. That’s enough to stop most Police brute force attacks. If you do get caught with in on you, you could end up with a short sentence for not unlocking it, but less than for armed robbery.
For actual communications I’d use something like ProtonMail via a private browser like brave and a VPN because why not. Words only, nothing incriminating obvs. Not videos of the hideaway and the stolen getaway car.
Nothing is perfect, but I’m willing to bet that it’s enough to keep my comms secure beyond the eyes of Plod, even a fancy task force.
P-Jay said:
Castrol for a knave said:
The Mad Monk said:
P-Jay said:
And of course phones, working in Tech I can think of so many better ways to comunicate without relying on normal mobile communications or even EncroChat devices,
e.g.?Personally, without going full Jason Bourne, if I was in that line of work I d use a modern iPhone without biometric access, I d use a complex device passcode, say a 16 digit alphanumeric passcode, something I could remember but no based on simple stuff like kids birthdays etc. Keep the iOS up to date a no iCloud backup. That s enough to stop most Police brute force attacks. If you do get caught with in on you, you could end up with a short sentence for not unlocking it, but less than for armed robbery.
For actual communications I d use something like ProtonMail via a private browser like brave and a VPN because why not. Words only, nothing incriminating obvs. Not videos of the hideaway and the stolen getaway car.
Nothing is perfect, but I m willing to bet that it s enough to keep my comms secure beyond the eyes of Plod, even a fancy task force.
alone wolf said:
The Mad Monk said:
A pretty big clue is when individuals are named, or their likeness shown.
Exactly, that's always the case but reminds me of the fella who was incorrectly arrested for the phone box rape a few epidoses back. Arrested because one of the coppas 'though he looked like' the perpetrator from grainy CCTV image. Kidnapped for extended time (>24 hours) and the police basically raped him with intimate examinations. I hope he was handsomly compensatedI'm not sure where to start with this post to be honest.
I doubt a dumbed down explanation of why the male was arrested, the reason for samples being taken, pointing out it's not even remotely similar to rape would be worth anyone's time.
JD said:
Good episode of csi but I m confused about one thing.
At the start of the episode, there was a self filmed video of the crims doing the crime, and you could see in CCTV one of them had a go-pro harness on.
But absolutely no mention of this was made in the program?
We thought the same and expected this to be one of the pieces of evidence brought to their attention in interview, odd that it was never shown in the program.At the start of the episode, there was a self filmed video of the crims doing the crime, and you could see in CCTV one of them had a go-pro harness on.
But absolutely no mention of this was made in the program?
Doofus said:
When scrotes get interviewed, they go no comment, or silence, or "dunno", but when they're in the custody suite and they get read their charges, they all sign the charge sheet when asked, without any complaint. Why don't they refuse to sign?
Some do, it doesn't matter though as it won't change anything. It's just documented that they refused to sign to confirm they had been told they were charged.Same way they sign for property that's taken off them, to confirm their rights have been given when they're booked into custody.
JD said:
Good episode of csi but I m confused about one thing.
At the start of the episode, there was a self filmed video of the crims doing the crime, and you could see in CCTV one of them had a go-pro harness on.
But absolutely no mention of this was made in the program?
I read the description, and didn't fancy watching it. At the start of the episode, there was a self filmed video of the crims doing the crime, and you could see in CCTV one of them had a go-pro harness on.
But absolutely no mention of this was made in the program?
Is is particularly harrowing?
Now, if any of the suspects are detailed by a bitey Police Dog, that would be ideal.
The young girl's story was so incredible as to feel unlikely - sadly it was true.
She was not at that house every night and he gained entry and found her room with her father asleep next door and assaulted her. Once it became clear it was so brazen I said to my wife this will not be this guy's first offence - it transpired he had been assaulting two other girls for over twenty years.seemingly undetected
He appeared from the tracked CCTV to have walked some distance to the scene and then casually back home - surely some work had to be done on how he isolated her room in that house on that day
He is one sick individual
She was not at that house every night and he gained entry and found her room with her father asleep next door and assaulted her. Once it became clear it was so brazen I said to my wife this will not be this guy's first offence - it transpired he had been assaulting two other girls for over twenty years.seemingly undetected
He appeared from the tracked CCTV to have walked some distance to the scene and then casually back home - surely some work had to be done on how he isolated her room in that house on that day
He is one sick individual
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