24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4

[oobster]

Watching episode 1 of the Una Crown story, absolutely horrendous what happened to her but find it incredible that the police didn’t treat it as a murder right away.

[Googie]

Agreed -shocking, especially given day 1 Fire Officers assessment of what may have happened.

[sanguinary]

Fully agree. Even after the first suggestion it was accidental, no one looked at how you could (or not) set a tea towel on fire on that hob, which was assumed might be faulty. Then it wasn t asked how you could have had fires in three separate places against advise from the Fire Brigade. And finally, when turning her body over to remove it from the scene, did no one look at the stab wounds and think hang on a minute

Seems utterly bizarre to me.

[Alickadoo]

Jonnny said:

Even the Police seemed to think it was reasonable what he did and would probably have done the same.

Was that an official police statement, one solitary PC, a load of coppers down the pub, or what?

Because I don't think the police would advise a householder to chase after miscreants in a car and run them down.

I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

[C5_Steve]

Had to check I wasn't watching an old repeat last night as so many of the details were ringing bells! Shocking story but I'm interested to see how it resolves.

Blew my mind how they were explaining how they came to the conclusion it was an accident. Almost a sketch the ineptitude was so bad.

[P-Jay]

oobster said:

Watching episode 1 of the Una Crown story, absolutely horrendous what happened to her but find it incredible that the police didn t treat it as a murder right away.

Yeah the Copper dogged that, wonder what it was - ego, exhaustion, bad day? Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines, but maybe the Fire guy told him he was wrong and rather than accept it, he dug his heels in.

Looking forward to tonight's episode. They seem to have spoiled 'who dun it', but I was thinking maybe the Copper was somehow involved, if only to explain why he thought someone laying in a pool of blood with a multiple stab wounds was natural causes.

[Unreal]

Have a look at John Palmer's murder if you enjoy being bemused.

[Jonnny]

Alickadoo said:

Jonnny said:

Even the Police seemed to think it was reasonable what he did and would probably have done the same.

Was that an official police statement, one solitary PC, a load of coppers down the pub, or what?

Because I don't think the police would advise a householder to chase after miscreants in a car and run them down.

I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Just the two detectives chatting whilst walking in the station after the interview with the homeowner. "Can say I probably wouldn't have done differently" or something along those lines.

[Castrol for a knave]

P-Jay said:

oobster said:

Watching episode 1 of the Una Crown story, absolutely horrendous what happened to her but find it incredible that the police didn t treat it as a murder right away.

Yeah the Copper dogged that, wonder what it was - ego, exhaustion, bad day? Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines, but maybe the Fire guy told him he was wrong and rather than accept it, he dug his heels in.

Looking forward to tonight's episode. They seem to have spoiled 'who dun it', but I was thinking maybe the Copper was somehow involved, if only to explain why he thought someone laying in a pool of blood with a multiple stab wounds was natural causes.

Classic case of confirmation bias. He had a predetermined view and he then went looking for the evidence to support it, rather than keeping an open mind and letting the scene/evidence lead him

[Bluedot]

Unreal said:

Have a look at John Palmer's murder if you enjoy being bemused.

I said the same thing to my wife last night.

[Randy Winkman]

Castrol for a knave said:

P-Jay said:

oobster said:

Watching episode 1 of the Una Crown story, absolutely horrendous what happened to her but find it incredible that the police didn t treat it as a murder right away.

Yeah the Copper dogged that, wonder what it was - ego, exhaustion, bad day? Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines, but maybe the Fire guy told him he was wrong and rather than accept it, he dug his heels in.

Looking forward to tonight's episode. They seem to have spoiled 'who dun it', but I was thinking maybe the Copper was somehow involved, if only to explain why he thought someone laying in a pool of blood with a multiple stab wounds was natural causes.

Classic case of confirmation bias. He had a predetermined view and he then went looking for the evidence to support it, rather than keeping an open mind and letting the scene/evidence lead him

I've only seen the first episode so far but it is really baffling based on that. Perhaps I wasn't paying attention but did the programme actually show the police officer (or was it a fire fighter?) who was badly affected by seeing the "investigation" go the way it did?

[Legacywr]

C5_Steve said:

Had to check I wasn't watching an old repeat last night as so many of the details were ringing bells! Shocking story but I'm interested to see how it resolves.

Blew my mind how they were explaining how they came to the conclusion it was an accident. Almost a sketch the ineptitude was so bad.

I’ve certainly seen all the criminals featured before.

[oobster]

There was a similar initially-botched case up in Scotland recently, elderly gent out walking his dog was found dead on a countryside path and it was treated as non-suspicious and then 4 days later a shotgun pellet was found in the body bag he was in as they were preparing for the post mortem.

Fortunately the perpetrator was found guilty despite this cock-up.

[Warhavernet]

oobster said:

There was a similar initially-botched case up in Scotland recently, elderly gent out walking his dog was found dead on a countryside path and it was treated as non-suspicious and then 4 days later a shotgun pellet was found in the body bag he was in as they were preparing for the post mortem.

The Willie McRae case was similarly dismissed as a simple car accident until a bullethole was found
in the victim's head during washing the body, many maintain he was murdered by shady black ops, but Willie already had a second drink drive offence hanging over him and this crash would be his 3rd, he owned a .22 gun, it's likely he unalived himself.

Interesting to see if tonight's episode brings us the DNA evidence that will crack the case.

[forsure]

Legacywr said:

C5_Steve said:

Had to check I wasn't watching an old repeat last night as so many of the details were ringing bells! Shocking story but I'm interested to see how it resolves.

Blew my mind how they were explaining how they came to the conclusion it was an accident. Almost a sketch the ineptitude was so bad.

I ve certainly seen all the criminals featured before.

It did look familiar; I think there was a very similar case in the same area a few years ago.

[C5_Steve]

forsure said:

Legacywr said:

C5_Steve said:

Had to check I wasn't watching an old repeat last night as so many of the details were ringing bells! Shocking story but I'm interested to see how it resolves.

Blew my mind how they were explaining how they came to the conclusion it was an accident. Almost a sketch the ineptitude was so bad.

I ve certainly seen all the criminals featured before.

It did look familiar; I think there was a very similar case in the same area a few years ago.

Yes, it was the episode with the grandma drug dealer. They mentioned it on this one when talking about one of the potential suspects

Thought tonights was a bit drawn out, as seems to be the case with many of these two parters lately. Glad they got the right result in the end.

[Swervin_Mervin]

I thought much the same of the recent ITV documentary on the Silver murders around Cheshire and Manchester. All murder suicides of old couples and yet so many of the basic facts just seemed unbelievable.

But apparently nothing to see here from. Cheshire Constabulary and the NCA.

[fourstardan]

Stunk a bit of ignorance around how old the poor woman was. Another factor is though how many other incidents were being dealt with at the time.

Quite alarming that 1 the nut job doing it was roaming the streets and 2 he had a lodger who shared whiskeys with him.

[Scaleybrat]

fourstardan said:

Stunk.

Hopefully he got a good wash when he went to prison. He looked a right manky bd.

[cartart]

JimmyConwayNW said:

I can't watch any of these ones with crimes against kids.

Those fkers just never change and always reoffend. They should never be allowed out. I don't think many people are beyond rehabilitation. These beasts completely are.

I feel that people like him are in a very niche form of mental illness - to behave in that way. Only solution is voluntary capital punishment, for everyone's sake.