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Adam B said:
LuS1fer said:
surely the point is getting 225bhp from a 5.0L V8 is laughably inefficient, as you clearly demonstrate with your example of a European car which achieves the similar outputs and better perfromance from a 2.0L 4 cylinderYou can get as much or as little power as you want from any engine, it's just a matter of how much air and fuel you pump through it, how high you rev it, cost of components and how long you want it to last reliably.
Ford obviously made the decision that 225bhp was how much power they wanted that car to have, taking reliability and fuel consumption into account. If they had wanted to extract 300bhp from that engine they could easily have done so but the car would have been more expensive, would have used more fuel and wouldn't have been as reliable.
The RS500 Sierra was a totally different animal. It had a severely detuned engine and was a homologation special rather than a mass-production car.
rohrl said:
This is a pointless argument.
You can get as much or as little power as you want from any engine, it's just a matter of how much air and fuel you pump through it, how high you rev it, cost of components and how long you want it to last reliably.
Ford obviously made the decision that 225bhp was how much power they wanted that car to have, taking reliability and fuel consumption into account. If they had wanted to extract 300bhp from that engine they could easily have done so but the car would have been more expensive, would have used more fuel and wouldn't have been as reliable.
The RS500 Sierra was a totally different animal. It had a severely detuned engine and was a homologation special rather than a mass-production car.
Indeed. Good points, well made. You can get as much or as little power as you want from any engine, it's just a matter of how much air and fuel you pump through it, how high you rev it, cost of components and how long you want it to last reliably.
Ford obviously made the decision that 225bhp was how much power they wanted that car to have, taking reliability and fuel consumption into account. If they had wanted to extract 300bhp from that engine they could easily have done so but the car would have been more expensive, would have used more fuel and wouldn't have been as reliable.
The RS500 Sierra was a totally different animal. It had a severely detuned engine and was a homologation special rather than a mass-production car.
Smollet said:
I was looking forward to the LR rebuild but it looked bloody awful in the end. I'm not surprised that the bloke who bought it didn't want to be identified. Shame as the mechanical work was top notch.
Not surprising to me - apart from the freak who bought the Mustang each car this series has gone to someone who appears to have been lined up before the project started, for example the brewery company buying the Chevy Luv or the Honda going to the museum. I reckon they are just offloading to the production team so they can claim someone bought it and not have it hanging around for ages due it being a complete pile of ste!rgw2012 said:
Not surprising to me - apart from the freak who bought the Mustang each car this series has gone to someone who appears to have been lined up before the project started, for example the brewery company buying the Chevy Luv or the Honda going to the museum. I reckon they are just offloading to the production team so they can claim someone bought it and not have it hanging around for ages due it being a complete pile of ste!
Yes some of the sales do seem very contrived compared to previous series. Edd has to be a worse wrapper than Kanye West!! Interesting that Mike is still doing a lot more spannering this series. I wonder if Edd has other projects on the go and can't devote as much time as he usually does to the programme. Not really a vehicle that floated my boat and the rat look didn't do anything me.
Adam B said:
surely the point is getting 225bhp from a 5.0L V8 is laughably inefficient, as you clearly demonstrate with your example of a European car which achieves the similar outputs and better perfromance from a 2.0L 4 cylinder
It's a question of emissions. The Cossie would be unlikley to pass a California emissions test. This is why foreign cars often could not be sold in the US once they were saddled with unleaded, low compression ratios, EGRs, charcoal canisters and so forth.
Additionally, US cars tend to have vastly higher mileages, a used car with 150k on the clock is not unusual so they go for low stressed engines. Most US cars tend to have bigger engines fitted than the European equivalent, often to compensate for the fact that many Americans like their automatics and a small engine and an automatic are not great partners.
They like towing stuff too. This is the land where a 5.0 is a pretty small engine and a 4.0 tends to be the economy model.
Ford exported the equivalent of the Sierra XR4i (Merkur) and it bombed.
Finally, I once drove a Pontiac Firebird Trans Am, 1983 IIRC and it had a mighty 140hp but by god, it felt like it could wrench the surface off the road and sounded like thunder. It's often more about the torque than the ultimate output.
I can't see a topic for the On The Road series, and I don't want to start one, in case it already exists.
I've just watched a couple of these on Quest, so it may not be new or recent. Mike bought a cheapo thing in India, and later, he took a Camaro to Dubai.
Anyway; throughout the entire thing, he converts pounds, or Euro or Kroner or whatever into USD. So there's obviously a US market in mind for the show.
Why then does he continually talk about a car's top speed in KmH, and never in MpH?
I've just watched a couple of these on Quest, so it may not be new or recent. Mike bought a cheapo thing in India, and later, he took a Camaro to Dubai.
Anyway; throughout the entire thing, he converts pounds, or Euro or Kroner or whatever into USD. So there's obviously a US market in mind for the show.
Why then does he continually talk about a car's top speed in KmH, and never in MpH?
Doofus said:
I can't see a topic for the On The Road series, and I don't want to start one, in case it already exists.
I've just watched a couple of these on Quest, so it may not be new or recent. Mike bought a cheapo thing in India, and later, he took a Camaro to Dubai.
Anyway; throughout the entire thing, he converts pounds, or Euro or Kroner or whatever into USD. So there's obviously a US market in mind for the show.
Why then does he continually talk about a car's top speed in KmH, and never in MpH?
You may just be several years late on this argument, its quite an old series, it wasnt aimed directly at the UK but Discoveries world channels hence Brewer spending most of the time converting km and dollars to pounds. Etc etc. There were just a few (thousand) posts mentioning how irritating it was.I've just watched a couple of these on Quest, so it may not be new or recent. Mike bought a cheapo thing in India, and later, he took a Camaro to Dubai.
Anyway; throughout the entire thing, he converts pounds, or Euro or Kroner or whatever into USD. So there's obviously a US market in mind for the show.
Why then does he continually talk about a car's top speed in KmH, and never in MpH?
Also I agree something doesn't quite feel right with this series.
The cars seem to be bought with very specific mods pre-decided, and to cater for the US audience, rather than the desire to restore a classic or much loved model - the Mustang drag car, the hipster Pick-Up, the survivalist/prepper LR. That said the standard of these cars is still very high, although I'm not convinced Edd C is as involved as in the UK series'.
The cars seem to be bought with very specific mods pre-decided, and to cater for the US audience, rather than the desire to restore a classic or much loved model - the Mustang drag car, the hipster Pick-Up, the survivalist/prepper LR. That said the standard of these cars is still very high, although I'm not convinced Edd C is as involved as in the UK series'.
vrsmxtb said:
Also I agree something doesn't quite feel right with this series.
The cars seem to be bought with very specific mods pre-decided, and to cater for the US audience, rather than the desire to restore a classic or much loved model - the Mustang drag car, the hipster Pick-Up, the survivalist/prepper LR. That said the standard of these cars is still very high, although I'm not convinced Edd C is as involved as in the UK series'.
How involved was Edd ever though? Don't get me wrong - his credentials are solid and he has done some proper builds. But I see him more as the front man of a team of mechanics and he has said so in the past too. The cars seem to be bought with very specific mods pre-decided, and to cater for the US audience, rather than the desire to restore a classic or much loved model - the Mustang drag car, the hipster Pick-Up, the survivalist/prepper LR. That said the standard of these cars is still very high, although I'm not convinced Edd C is as involved as in the UK series'.
But I agree that this series has been rather odd and seldom had a credible buyer.
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