BBC2 Who's the Boss?
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DSLiverpool said:
Conventional unconventionality is Jims mantra, maybe not originally but the upscale of the business has tempered his wackiness.
Note they took in 3 heavy hitting directors this year so now 8 inc the CEO, I guess he is in love with the cash now and the original small plucky go getters is history.
I suppose you can't blame him, but it's like Ben & Jerry, you can't kid on that you're the little guy sticking it to the big guys forever.Note they took in 3 heavy hitting directors this year so now 8 inc the CEO, I guess he is in love with the cash now and the original small plucky go getters is history.
Having worked in a few start-ups myself I fully understand James, and I think he took the right decision. Yes, he's a bit of a t
t, but that's typical of this type of people. In my experience it's often a package deal, some arrogance always comes along with the vision, perseverance and entrepreneurial skills. Not everyone can be as laid back and friendly as Richard Branson, and frankly I doubt he was that nice in the first years of building his empire.
As for the candidates - I'm sorry, but they did send him a bunch of old fashioned, irrelevant geezers - what was that about? And he was absolutely right telling the HR guy that he's basically full of st and can't answer a single question properly.
James (and it seems Brewdog as a whole) is an eccentric sheep in the British setting, and for people like him it's always a struggle to find the right human resources as the company grows. If anything, the massive fail here was from the BBC and this 'groundbreaking' London HR agency that ended up issuing him with the same old farts as always, only slightly repackaged for TV.
I think for their clientele, the show only reinforced the brand's image as young, rebellious and uncompromising, and that's something many artisan beer drinkers are happy to get behind.
To put things in context: I'm a 30 y/o business and HR student with both corporate and start-up work experience, and I don't drink.
t, but that's typical of this type of people. In my experience it's often a package deal, some arrogance always comes along with the vision, perseverance and entrepreneurial skills. Not everyone can be as laid back and friendly as Richard Branson, and frankly I doubt he was that nice in the first years of building his empire.As for the candidates - I'm sorry, but they did send him a bunch of old fashioned, irrelevant geezers - what was that about? And he was absolutely right telling the HR guy that he's basically full of s
t and can't answer a single question properly. James (and it seems Brewdog as a whole) is an eccentric sheep in the British setting, and for people like him it's always a struggle to find the right human resources as the company grows. If anything, the massive fail here was from the BBC and this 'groundbreaking' London HR agency that ended up issuing him with the same old farts as always, only slightly repackaged for TV.
I think for their clientele, the show only reinforced the brand's image as young, rebellious and uncompromising, and that's something many artisan beer drinkers are happy to get behind.
To put things in context: I'm a 30 y/o business and HR student with both corporate and start-up work experience, and I don't drink.
Derish said:
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As for the candidates - I'm sorry, but they did send him a bunch of old fashioned, irrelevant geezers - what was that about? And he was absolutely right telling the HR guy that he's basically full of st and can't answer a single question properly.
James (and it seems Brewdog as a whole) is an eccentric sheep in the British setting, and for people like him it's always a struggle to find the right human resources as the company grows. If anything, the massive fail here was from the BBC and this 'groundbreaking' London HR agency that ended up issuing him with the same old farts as always, only slightly repackaged for TV.<snip>
It's difficult to imagine any sane business owner would consent to this programme without eyeballing the CVs beforehand; if he didn't he's an eejit, if he did he's a colossal attention wAs for the candidates - I'm sorry, but they did send him a bunch of old fashioned, irrelevant geezers - what was that about? And he was absolutely right telling the HR guy that he's basically full of s
t and can't answer a single question properly. James (and it seems Brewdog as a whole) is an eccentric sheep in the British setting, and for people like him it's always a struggle to find the right human resources as the company grows. If anything, the massive fail here was from the BBC and this 'groundbreaking' London HR agency that ended up issuing him with the same old farts as always, only slightly repackaged for TV.<snip>
e. A headhunter can only go with the instructions or job description given; whoever produced that is at fault, not the headhunter. In addition the job was for a regional manager in the metropolitan area/south of England, yet the jump-through-the-hoops was conducted over several days in Aberdeenshire; I'd guess you're only going to get the desperate, reality show wannabees or the unemployed for that given the pay seemed average and it required you to sign a waiver allowing the Beeb to humiliate you on TV.footnote said:
Dread to think of the enforced Jollity at their piss-ups - when you have to conform to James' view of everything.
Brewdog's plans for a one hour free tv advert on how cool they were backfired spectacularly when it turned out that Captain James Watt is not at all cool and is as dull and money-grabbing as any old-school capitalist.
Nothing like an arse getting properly shafted by a stick of his own making.
It came over as very cult like, with him as the Guru and reminded me lot of PUA/Red-Pill philosophy.Brewdog's plans for a one hour free tv advert on how cool they were backfired spectacularly when it turned out that Captain James Watt is not at all cool and is as dull and money-grabbing as any old-school capitalist.
Nothing like an arse getting properly shafted by a stick of his own making.
Just watched it. It would have been better if he had been honest and said none of them looked like a 20 something bully victim and so wouldn't fit the Brewdog image.
And I don't understand why wearing a check shirt and beard is considered edgy or 'punk'. It's just as much a uniform as a suit or a McDonald's outfit. What would be unusual and authentic would be a mixture.
And I don't understand why wearing a check shirt and beard is considered edgy or 'punk'. It's just as much a uniform as a suit or a McDonald's outfit. What would be unusual and authentic would be a mixture.
I think the thing is looking at the business growth he needs to get away from the craft label, and punk seems to fit where the company wants to go, differentiate the company in a very crowded market.
But a brand built for hipsters and craft,blowing stuff up will struggle a think to keep the brand valid whilst growing the business.
Interesting he valued the business at nearly 300 million, 10 times it turnover. Very risky but could pay off.
But he did come across as a tit, and I liked his beer, but I'm not a punk and bearded so will look elsewhere.
But a brand built for hipsters and craft,blowing stuff up will struggle a think to keep the brand valid whilst growing the business.
Interesting he valued the business at nearly 300 million, 10 times it turnover. Very risky but could pay off.
But he did come across as a tit, and I liked his beer, but I'm not a punk and bearded so will look elsewhere.
MerlinMidge said:
After recent news about open letter from Brewdog employees....looks like these observations were ‘insightful’!!!
The Punks with Purpose campaign is toxic. They are exactly what they are supposed to be taking a stand against. It's pathetic singing up to forums and bumping old threads on your mission.
Apologies - no malice/‘mission’ intended.
Joined to research electric/battery car performance - search criteria included ‘watts/bhp/power/charge’ etc. This thread came up (watt reference?) and caught my eye - didn’t register how old it actually was!...just made an observation....if people on here are so quick to jump to conclusions I’ll look elsewhere...
Joined to research electric/battery car performance - search criteria included ‘watts/bhp/power/charge’ etc. This thread came up (watt reference?) and caught my eye - didn’t register how old it actually was!...just made an observation....if people on here are so quick to jump to conclusions I’ll look elsewhere...
MerlinMidge said:
.if people on here are so quick to jump to conclusions I’ll look elsewhere...
i don't see an issue with you bumping a thread, Brewdog has become a sell out really, like all big businesses, profits are key now, there offerings are getting pretty crap as well. There mangement style sounds like the worst of big corps really.MerlinMidge said:
Apologies - no malice/‘mission’ intended.
Joined to research electric/battery car performance - search criteria included ‘watts/bhp/power/charge’ etc. This thread came up (watt reference?) and caught my eye - didn’t register how old it actually was!...just made an observation....if people on here are so quick to jump to conclusions I’ll look elsewhere...
Totally believable. Joined to research electric/battery car performance - search criteria included ‘watts/bhp/power/charge’ etc. This thread came up (watt reference?) and caught my eye - didn’t register how old it actually was!...just made an observation....if people on here are so quick to jump to conclusions I’ll look elsewhere...
The Spruce Goose said:
MerlinMidge said:
.if people on here are so quick to jump to conclusions I’ll look elsewhere...
i don't see an issue with you bumping a thread, Brewdog has become a sell out really, like all big businesses, profits are key now, there offerings are getting pretty crap as well. There mangement style sounds like the worst of big corps really.Have you heard the basis of the complaints so far?
Driver101 said:
Why does their management style sound like the worst?
Have you heard the basis of the complaints so far?
Well i watched this show 5 years ago, and imagine they haven't got better. It is funny i bought a can of new flavour, the slogan said fiercely defiant and independent''Have you heard the basis of the complaints so far?
No mention of the TSG Consumer Partners owning 22%, not sure that makes you independent anymore.
Beer was s
te as well.footnote said:
Yep - my understanding of the candidates was that both chaps had area manager experience and one definitely had brewery/hospitality experience.
The woman was always being set up for a fall I felt but James Watts came across as such a dick when he tried to humiliate all of them in that room where he questioned whether they had any hospitality experience.
Captain Watts' telephone call to the recruitment consultant, designed he thought, to make him look clever and authoritative, simply made him look pathetic and like a pedantic dweeb.
To then accost the three candidates and accuse them of being the cause of the problem, by not having hospitality experience, and then find out they had hospitality experience - what a knob!
His closing comments to the woman candidate when he gave her his bottle of cheap piss - like a big man - he went all snidey and said something like "that's the only intelligent thing you've ever said" - what a pompous prick!
The measure of a 'man' (any human) is how they act when they don't have to be kind, when they're in a position of power and are holding all the cards.
Well that showed me the measure of James Watts and Brewdog - good luck to the hipsters working for that tosser - he'll fk them over quicker than they can say 'you're so judgemental man!'
How true that last paragraph has becomeThe woman was always being set up for a fall I felt but James Watts came across as such a dick when he tried to humiliate all of them in that room where he questioned whether they had any hospitality experience.
Captain Watts' telephone call to the recruitment consultant, designed he thought, to make him look clever and authoritative, simply made him look pathetic and like a pedantic dweeb.
To then accost the three candidates and accuse them of being the cause of the problem, by not having hospitality experience, and then find out they had hospitality experience - what a knob!
His closing comments to the woman candidate when he gave her his bottle of cheap piss - like a big man - he went all snidey and said something like "that's the only intelligent thing you've ever said" - what a pompous prick!
The measure of a 'man' (any human) is how they act when they don't have to be kind, when they're in a position of power and are holding all the cards.
Well that showed me the measure of James Watts and Brewdog - good luck to the hipsters working for that tosser - he'll f
k them over quicker than they can say 'you're so judgemental man!'The Spruce Goose said:
Driver101 said:
Why does their management style sound like the worst?
Have you heard the basis of the complaints so far?
Well i watched this show 5 years ago, and imagine they haven't got better. It is funny i bought a can of new flavour, the slogan said fiercely defiant and independent''Have you heard the basis of the complaints so far?
No mention of the TSG Consumer Partners owning 22%, not sure that makes you independent anymore.
Beer was s
te as well.The many employees who have said it's the best place they've ever worked are all wrong?
Their beer isn't s
te. They have made plenty of top quality beers. When people come out with ridiculous statements like that it just highlights the hatred that clouds their opinion.Why do you dislike Brewdog so badly?
I was having a little chuckle remembering our exchange a few weeks ago. When you thought the beers were Cloudwater they were great beers. I pointed out all the Cloudwater beers in Tesco were Brewdog.
Your response was.
I shouldn't have told you Brewdog were involved and left you enjoying the beers.
Driver101 said:
The Spruce Goose said:
Picked up a mix box from Cloudwater from Tesco. It is ones from indie brewers, my favorite was the queer brew, had a lovely creamy mouthfeel. 10 quid for 4 and pretty tasty.
They are all made by Brewdog. All the other cans of Cloudwater in Tesco are as well. The Spruce Goose said:
Well for me the beers, they are the best tasting beers I've had at that price range, and I don't see any issue with breeding brewing them, as contract manufacturing is nothing new. I think they have got perfect balance of price v mass appeal.
After knowing they were made by Brewdog you posted this..The Spruce Goose said:
nought a few cloud water from Tesco, pretty disappointed really, suprised the bothered to make cut price beers, the other more expensive stuff was in a different league.
Contradiction much. I shouldn't have told you Brewdog were involved and left you enjoying the beers.
Driver101 said:
Contradiction much.
I shouldn't have told you Brewdog were involved and left you enjoying the beers.
Stalker much...I shouldn't have told you Brewdog were involved and left you enjoying the beers.
The collab collection are contract manufactured by BD for no profit. The cloudwater stuff is contact manufactured for profit.
The new BD stuff i had, marshmallow laser quest was s
te. The cloudwater stuff was flavourless. The collab not for profit was pretty good for the price.I really don't have to point out the differences do i , SURELY you understand how contract manufacturing works? And not really sure how relevant it is to this thread as well..
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 13th June 19:27
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