Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS

[SpielBoy]

Halb said:

SpielBoy said:

Arya's faceless man training allows her to see through lies

Littlefinger will say something about circumstances of Neds death

Arya will see through his lie and realise he was complicit

Arya will kill Littlefinger

It was her Syrio training that allowed her to see through lies, it's faceless man training that encourages her to lie.

Jaqen asks if Arya hates the Hound - Arya says 'yes' - Jaqen says 'a lie' - plainly he sees through the lie

It may be implication rather than implicit - but the faceless men seem to have the ability to see through lies and Arya has been trained as one - so she now has the ability,

I am willing to be corrected but I remember nothing in the Syrio scenes that covered anything to do with lies - it was related all to the Water Dance and sword fighting.

[Halb]

lemmingjames said:

glazbagun said:

I thought it was passable but agree that the whole thing feels rushed. The battle seemed a bit convenient with Euron finding Yaras (faster?) ship before she even knew they were under attack. Thought the sand snakes did better than with Bronn & Jamie.

Cersei seems very alone but a few good battles would see the end of that. I can see Tarly betraying Cersei and Jamie killing her.

Also thought the hotpie scene was a bit off. She seemed to care more about Nymeria. Was the looking into the wolfs eyes a hint of animal telepathy, or are we seeing Aria gradually let her guard down and return to being a girl again. She also clearly likes a drink now. Somethinh not right with her though who knows if it's intentional after the way she was stabbed by the wraith.

Liked the conversation with Olena. John/littlefinger reminded me of Ned outside the brothel. LF will end up in his nest with him away.

in the book, she has warg abilities. In the book, instead of fighting waif in the dark, she fights the teacher (not to death but with sticks) while blind. Somehow a cat gets into the room and she is able to see via the cat and fights back against the teacher who is shocked and asks her how, and there ends her tale in the book.

She also had dreams of running with a pack of wolfs when she was with the hound.

I took the Nymeria turning away and heading back down South as being a sign to Ayra in that she should do the same

Wraith, love it.
It's after Arya's mind abilities have been been awakened that she is then promoted. I reckon the Faceless Men knew all along she was capable of it.

The Nymeria thing, still can't quite decide what that is about...I'm not sure there will be a happy ending for Arya.

[4x4Tyke]

SpielBoy said:

Jaqen asks if Arya hates the Hound - Arya says 'yes' - Jaqen says 'a lie' - plainly he sees through the lie

It may be implication rather than implicit - but the faceless men seem to have the ability to see through lies and Arya has been trained as one - so she now has the ability,

I am willing to be corrected but I remember nothing in the Syrio scenes that covered anything to do with lies - it was related all to the Water Dance and sword fighting.

He talks about feigning in sword play as lies that the eyes give away.

[Halb]

GravelBen said:

When did Doran die? I don't remember that.

ETA: Never mind, thinking of the books as I've been re-reading them lately.

Edited by GravelBen on Wednesday 26th July 07:27

edit, yeah, in the show, Doran goes out like a feeb, in the books.....whooooaaaaa, he may be the greatest GoT player of them all!!!

SpielBoy said:

Jaqen asks if Arya hates the Hound - Arya says 'yes' - Jaqen says 'a lie' - plainly he sees through the lie

It may be implication rather than implicit - but the faceless men seem to have the ability to see through lies and Arya has been trained as one - so she now has the ability,

I am willing to be corrected but I remember nothing in the Syrio scenes that covered anything to do with lies - it was related all to the Water Dance and sword fighting.

Arya started her training, but then she also sodded off early. With Syrio he could see the 'things that were there', seeing with one's eyes and the true seeing. I can't find a show only quote, but I recall it, the books it is much plainer, it wasn't just fighting, it was to see the world as it is.
Hmm, I think this is a show quote;
"Just so. Opening your eyes is all that is needing. The heart lies and the head plays tricks with us, but the eyes see true. Look with your eyes. Hear with your ears. Taste with your mouth. Smell with your nose. Feel with your skin. Then comes the thinking, afterward, and in that way knowing the truth."

Edited by Halb on Wednesday 26th July 10:07

[irocfan]

Emilia Clarke eyebrow stabilization:

[Halb]

More face movement there than in series 4-7

[Boring_Chris]

What's the rational behind the 7 episodes thing? Is the overall arc a natural 14 episode time-scale, but they're splitting it to drag the franchise out over two more years?

Seems a bit fking stingy, considering the scale of it all.

[Angrybiker]

Pesty said:

So far seems a little more formulaic.

So the fleet has been attacked and destroyed characters captured better not kill the hot one

I expect that the unsullied will get a hard time too maybe even defeated?

It's got to look bad before it looks good in most tv writing but got seemed to be different.

Why she doesn't just take the dragons burn all her eenemies then take over ...

Because she doesn't want to be the queen of ashes - duh!

[lemmingjames]

Halb said:

that was Maggy the frog.

didnt maggy the frog and mel without the necklace look the same though, both are thought to be ancient

[lemmingjames]

Given how the books go, the whole Dani turns up, burns the White Walkers, takes KL and becomes queen seems all abit to 'convenient' and predictable.

I reckon Jon will get burnt by a dragon, as per the Dornish prince in the book and find out hes fire proof (though he did get his hand burnt in Series 1 so maybe not). Will Bran be able to control a dragon?

[Dan_1981]

Are we sure Yara isn't dead?

I thought that was her body hung from the front of Euron's boat as he sailed away.....

[wolfie1978]

Dan_1981 said:

Are we sure Yara isn't dead?

I thought that was her body hung from the front of Euron's boat as he sailed away.....

I'm pretty sure that was one of the Dorne girls, he was strangling one of them so i figured it was that one?

[Sway]

wolfie1978 said:

Dan_1981 said:

Are we sure Yara isn't dead?

I thought that was her body hung from the front of Euron's boat as he sailed away.....

I'm pretty sure that was one of the Dorne girls, he was strangling one of them so i figured it was that one?

There was one hanging from the bowsprit, who appeared to be clothed more like a Iron Islander than a Dorne.

It also looked like Oberon's missus was impaled by a spear on top of the same bowsprit, with her long flowy embroidered coat.

[Vocal Minority]

I'm certain they are the girls who we'd seen be killed.

[Bullett]

My big problem with that episode was that I couldn't really see what was happening in the battle.
And how did Euron sneak up on them? If he wasn't dead I think the lookout would be having a very difficult discussion with HR in the morning.

I like the Sam as (unreliable?)narrator.

The meeting I'm looking forward to is Arya and the Hound. They have effectively swapped places, she's the killing machine and he's gained his humanity.

[gpb1]

Jumping back an episode, has something really significant happened that we've missed?
When Bran met the Night's King in his dream he received the icy mark. That mark apparently broke the magic that protected the cave where the Three Eyed Raven was. The Wall is supposed to be protected by similar magic (as was made clear when Benjen Stark couldn't go back with Bran), so could Bran entering the Wall have broken these charms as well now, allowing the Night's King and White Walkers to break through and get south of it much easier now?

[Sway]

gpb1 said:

Jumping back an episode, has something really significant happened that we've missed?
When Bran met the Night's King in his dream he received the icy mark. That mark apparently broke the magic that protected the cave where the Three Eyed Raven was. The Wall is supposed to be protected by similar magic (as was made clear when Benjen Stark couldn't go back with Bran), so could Bran entering the Wall have broken these charms as well now, allowing the Night's King and White Walkers to break through and get south of it much easier now?

There have been two long running theories about how the white walkers get past the wall - and now a new third.

For a long while, the thought has been either the Horn of Winter (which may or may not have been the horn briefly seen in the bag of dragon glass weapons Jon lost in the battle with the white walkers) being blown and destroying the wall, or as you say, Bran passing the wall with the Night's King's mark nullifying the magic barrier.

The recent theory comes from the Hound's vision in the flames, and the opening credits. He mentions seeing an army of the dead walking past the wall (suggesting that they don't go through it at all), and this may be supported by the opening credits showing that the seas either side of the wall have frozen over...

[lemmingjames]

Didnt they say that as Bran has been touched, the magic no longer applies and wherever he goes, they can?

[chris watton]

Regarding the White Walkers, I wonder if they'll simply go around the wall (east) because the sea freezes over.

[Halb]

Sway said:

There have been two long running theories about how the white walkers get past the wall - and now a new third.

For a long while, the thought has been either the Horn of Winter (which may or may not have been the horn briefly seen in the bag of dragon glass weapons Jon lost in the battle with the white walkers) being blown and destroying the wall, or as you say, Bran passing the wall with the Night's King's mark nullifying the magic barrier.

The recent theory comes from the Hound's vision in the flames, and the opening credits. He mentions seeing an army of the dead walking past the wall (suggesting that they don't go through it at all), and this may be supported by the opening credits showing that the seas either side of the wall have frozen over...

If you're interested in the books, Preston has a great video on what the Horn of Winter actually does.