Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS

[Tony Starks]

RoadRunner220 said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/41264914/gam...

They're going to shoot multiple endings to try and stop leaks.

But also, the article claims there's only going to be six episodes, and we may not get to see the final season until 2019.

I have a feeling they're doing that because the whole of season 8 scripts got leaked and they were a bit on the st side. So they decided to rework it and see which version the test audiences like.

[chris watton]

JagLover said:

Which ironically is why the last season was ruined for me.

Personally I think this season should have been ten episodes and been filled with political manoeuvring and various battles, and reached a logical conclusion. Then have next season be six episodes or what have you to finish things off with the war with the WW.

Yes, I thought Season 7 would be about the fighting between Dany, Jon and Cersei, with Cersei dying at the end of the season, and the last season concentrating on the war with the dead, with all remaining characters fighting them, rather than each other, now that Cersei is out the way.

I does seem that this last season, and perhaps the final season was little more than fan service, rather than plot driven and, with or without spoilers, it got a little too predictable. This is out of sync with earlier seasons. I remember watching the earlier episodes and being on the edge of my seat, wondering who will be killed next, as every action, good or bad, had a consequence (usually shorn of plot armour). This is what made the show so tense and exciting to watch, for me at least.

Season 7 wasn't tense at all, it was more like a crappy Hollywood movie plot for kiddies. Technically, it looked spectacular, but too unbelievable and out of touch from previous seasons - the Sansa and Arya parts especially.

I still love it, of course, but the quality of the writing has taken a very noticeable tumble.

[FourWheelDrift]

ZesPak said:

I was thinking a bit "Pirates of the Caribbean", where they are cursed and are looking for a way to get back to normal, but I imagine it's more a revenge story of sorts.

I think they are going somewhere specific. Winterfell, not because of Bran the 3 eyed raven. Could the Night King be Brandon the Builder the first king of the north? He has a reason to go to Winterfell and has no intention of going any further south. Brandon the Builder built the Wall and also Winterfell, maybe there is something secret under Winterfell. But as with all history and he lived 8,000 years before current events details are forgotten, changed, merged with other stories, made up or written incorrectly and then repeated with new errors.

[otolith]

ZesPak said:

I was thinking a bit "Pirates of the Caribbean", where they are cursed and are looking for a way to get back to normal, but I imagine it's more a revenge story of sorts.

They're a weapon gone wrong, do they need a motivation beyond that?

[eps]

I watched the last Thronecast last night - I know it's a bit marmite, but it was quite good. They mentioned there being a 'reason' to the undead marching on Westeros..

It was even more marmite than usual as it had Johnathan Woss on there who I can't stand.

[4x4Tyke]

FourWheelDrift said:

ZesPak said:

I was thinking a bit "Pirates of the Caribbean", where they are cursed and are looking for a way to get back to normal, but I imagine it's more a revenge story of sorts.

I think they are going somewhere specific. Winterfell, not because of Bran the 3 eyed raven. Could the Night King be Brandon the Builder the first king of the north? He has a reason to go to Winterfell and has no intention of going any further south. Brandon the Builder built the Wall and also Winterfell, maybe there is something secret under Winterfell. But as with all history and he lived 8,000 years before current events details are forgotten, changed, merged with other stories, made up or written incorrectly and then repeated with new errors.

Agree they are going somewhere specific, but do not think it is Winterfell. If that was their target they would not travel to the far east of Westross to pass the wall. They would have breached it at Castle Black to quickly reach the Kings Road.

I think they will march south, probably towards the God's Eye and meet the army of the living in the either the Neck or the Riverlands. There are two very strong defensive positions for the army of living.

Moat Cailin surrounded by swamp

[gregs656]

Where did the pressure to wrap up in 8 seasons (ish) come from?

It seems like they are making a lot of compromises and messing around with the show time to cram as much as possible into 7&8. Kinda feels unnecessary given the popularity of the show and I think is detracting from the last couple of seasons.

[Sway]

gregs656 said:

Where did the pressure to wrap up in 8 seasons (ish) come from?

It seems like they are making a lot of compromises and messing around with the show time to cram as much as possible into 7&8. Kinda feels unnecessary given the popularity of the show and I think is detracting from the last couple of seasons.

D&D are being offered massive new deals for movies/shows now they've made a name for themselves? No one else seems to want to rush...

[glazbagun]

ash73 said:

glazbagun said:

Yeah for a show where every character is multifaceted (even Sansa, finally!), the WW are a pretty one dimensional enemy and the brief glimpse bran gave us into their history doesn't encourage us to dwell on their motivation.

Surely he must know how the children lost control, what the issues were, etc. In the books, didn't a Lord Commander of the watch once side with a white walker woman?

When Bran looked into the past young Ned sensed him, Hodor saw him, the Night King even touched him. As his power develops maybe he'll interact more and even try to stop the children creating the WW; there could be some interesting time loops and paradoxes.

I'm hoping for a bittersweet finale. As Ramsey pointed out "if you think this will have a happy ending you haven't been paying attention". But I don't really mind how the story wraps up, although the plot has thinned out a bit recently the journey has been great.

I would agree with that. In fact I think a closed ending that was happily ever after would be the most unsatisfying. History doesn't really begin or end and what we know from a thousand or more years ago has survived due to the most unlikely circumstances (see Sappho, for example), so if everyone died making great sacrifice that noone would remember that would suit me down to the ground.

[Disastrous]

4x4Tyke said:

Agree they are going somewhere specific, but do not think it is Winterfell. If that was their target they would not travel to the far east of Westross to pass the wall. They would have breached it at Castle Black to quickly reach the Kings Road.

I think they will march south, probably towards the God's Eye and meet the army of the living in the either the Neck or the Riverlands. There are two very strong defensive positions for the army of living.

Do you not think that the battle will be wherever the writers decide is most dramatic, rather than in a 'strategically strong' location?? The armies aren't actually making real tactical decisions!

[V8mate]

glazbagun said:

ash73 said:

glazbagun said:

Yeah for a show where every character is multifaceted (even Sansa, finally!), the WW are a pretty one dimensional enemy and the brief glimpse bran gave us into their history doesn't encourage us to dwell on their motivation.

Surely he must know how the children lost control, what the issues were, etc. In the books, didn't a Lord Commander of the watch once side with a white walker woman?

When Bran looked into the past young Ned sensed him, Hodor saw him, the Night King even touched him. As his power develops maybe he'll interact more and even try to stop the children creating the WW; there could be some interesting time loops and paradoxes.

I'm hoping for a bittersweet finale. As Ramsey pointed out "if you think this will have a happy ending you haven't been paying attention". But I don't really mind how the story wraps up, although the plot has thinned out a bit recently the journey has been great.

I would agree with that. In fact I think a closed ending that was happily ever after would be the most unsatisfying. History doesn't really begin or end and what we know from a thousand or more years ago has survived due to the most unlikely circumstances (see Sappho, for example), so if everyone died making great sacrifice that noone would remember that would suit me down to the ground.

Wouldn't it be awesome if the dead destroyed everyone? And the very last scene is of the Night King tipping his head back and roaring with demonic laughter... the first time we hear him utter a noise.

[motorizer]

V8mate said:

Wouldn't it be awesome if the dead destroyed everyone? And the very last scene is of the Night King tipping his head back and roaring with demonic laughter... the first time we hear him utter a noise.

The dead wipe everyone out and then, unlike the living, they are actually nice to one another.... happy ending.

[V8mate]

motorizer said:

V8mate said:

Wouldn't it be awesome if the dead destroyed everyone? And the very last scene is of the Night King tipping his head back and roaring with demonic laughter... the first time we hear him utter a noise.

The dead wipe everyone out and then, unlike the living, they are actually nice to one another.... happy ending.

No, they start to board the ships the Golden Company arrived in and initiate their spread beyond Westeros...

[FourWheelDrift]

V8mate said:

Wouldn't it be awesome if the dead destroyed everyone? And the very last scene is of the Night King tipping his head back and roaring with demonic laughter... the first time we hear him utter a noise.

Voiced by Joe Pasquale.

[4x4Tyke]

Disastrous said:

Do you not think that the battle will be wherever the writers decide is most dramatic, rather than in a 'strategically strong' location?? The armies aren't actually making real tactical decisions!

Yes, but the nature of the story means these all coincide.

[Wobbegong]

ZesPak said:

This is, I think, the only reason to keep Cersei around, to have some sort of "relatable" threat.

I'm curious to see what the night's king end goal is though.

Probably wants to chill on a nice warm beach. Pretty grim in the Nerrrrrth

[eps]

Ayahuasca said:

I don't think I am alone in thinking that the last season of GOT was a bit rubbish.

We love the show because of all the personalities, enmities, scheming, intrigues, tantalizing possibilities, double-crossings and dastardly dealings.

When the story is reduced to a humans vs zombies battle there is no place for any of the Littlefinger / Cersei / Stark / High Sparrow stuff anymore, so 90% of what made us watch is destroyed.

The White Walkers worked well as a fearsome legend, but in the flesh (?) they are devoid of anything that makes me care about them one way or the other. They are just zombies, meh - any not very scary ones.

The script writers will need to pull something special out of the bag to make me care about watching a new series. Now, if it transpired that the White Walkers were being controlled by a human character, that would be good...

It's almost like the opposite to The Walking Dead!

[Bullett]

Wait until the Night King meets Rick and Co.

[JamieBeeston]

Bullett said:

Wait until the Night King meets Rick and Co.

"I'm gonna kill you. All of you. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But NOTHING is gonna change that."

[gadgetmac]

ash73 said:

Been watching some cast interviews, can't believe how well spoken Rose Leslie sounds in real life!

Do you mean Rose Eleanor Arbuthnot-Leslie?