Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS
Discussion
FourWheelDrift said:
The only things Sansa knew Baelish had done was to be involved in Joffrey's death (yay!) and killing her Aunt Lyssa (who was trying to kill her anyway). It would have been Bran who filled her in with what happened with Jon Arryn to start the whole GoT process and his betrayal of Ned Stark in the throne room, add to that the recent attempt at trying to turn and Sansa and Arya against each other.
Also Arya Valyrian steel knife - "You told our mother this knife belonged to Tyrion Lannister. But that was another one of your lies, it was yours."FourWheelDrift said:
Halb said:
Lysa confessed the Jon Arryn thing in front of Sandra before LF pushed her out the moon door.
I didn't think she heard it though. My mistake.FourWheelDrift said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Halb said:
Lysa confessed the Jon Arryn thing in front of Sandra before LF pushed her out the moon door.
I didn't think she heard it though. My mistake.I love that scene. Peter was straight up the best manipulator in the whole thing and like many characters was too clever for the writers to know what to do with.
When he pushed her I totally didn't see it and simultaneously realised that he'd just elevated himself to lord of the vale. The man was unstoppable.
FourWheelDrift said:
Actually you made me check, she confessed when they first arrived, after Robyn entered and showed Sansa to her chamber - https://youtu.be/qafMsdPLDhM?t=252 so Sansa never heard it. Later Lysa shouted "I lied for you, I killed for you" before Baelish pushed her through the moon door, but that could have been about anything as there was no reference. - https://youtu.be/wDWz0tce4-w?t=422
Well I misremebered that, watched it recently too, as it was in...I think, the fight ep.Halb said:
Spanna said:
Not sure if it was mentioned in the show or I got it from one the History and Lore episodes, wasn’t it founded by a Targaryen?
The Iron Bank also likes to hedge its bets and I can see them offering some backing elsewhere should Cersei start looking like that loser in this scenario.
The show might ignore this as it does most nuances, but the Golden Company was founded by a Blackfyre, Bittersteel who was (I think) the brother of the three-eyed raven, they are diametrically opposed to the Targaryans. They flip the colours on the sigils. It's all a war of the roses/civil war situation, they'll back any Blackfyre over any Targaryan...but Blackfyre thing has never been mentioned in the show so who knows.....The Iron Bank also likes to hedge its bets and I can see them offering some backing elsewhere should Cersei start looking like that loser in this scenario.
something I did wonder at, this Harry Strickland is a real blonde type, like a stand-in young Jaime...could that be a bit of a thing later?
Anyway, given the Bank Holiday who is staying up!?
Spanna said:
Certainly has a season 1 Jaime look about him. I just get the feeling the Iron Bank/Golden Company back stab Cersei in some way.
Anyway, given the Bank Holiday who is staying up!?
I think them being sellswords might be a thing...how many sellswords have we had? The ones Stannis bought, all left him, but Dario remained loyal...because of the bedding rights no doubt....will Horny Harry get bedding rights...will that piss of Euron? I reckon a large betrayal will scupper Cersei First of Her Name's plans! I'd bet 50p on Anyway, given the Bank Holiday who is staying up!?
With mirrored scenes and composition from series 1 I would not be surprised if Cersei is betrayed by the Golden Company, just as Ned Stark was betrayed by the Goldcloaks. As Petyr Baelish said the gold cloaks follow the person who pays them. Perhaps The Golden Company have recieved a better offer, surely Varys would know all about Cersei hiring them and of course the Golden Company are travelling from the Free Cities in Essos, which is where Daenrys and her gang have all travelled through/past on the way to Westeros.
Gold Cloaks betray Ned ~ Golden Company betray Cersei
Gold Cloaks betray Ned ~ Golden Company betray Cersei
THat makes good symmetry sense, but no story sense. Tycho backed Cerei because she paid back all debts in full, and then hired the GC, for the Iron Bank to go back on that would just make their history/standard disappear, plus we've had no knowledge that Dani has anything like the cash that Cersei got off the Tyrells....having said that, it is the sort of thing I'd expect GoT to do, ignoring the world they're using and the rules they've borrowed over 7 years.
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