Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS

[snake_oil]

Halb said:

Great clip. Also points out the intricate nature of the KG outfit, the enamel work, I never notice that disappeared in the later series till recently. Maybe they changed wardrobe person or maybe they just forgot.
Back then the KG were good fighters, not queuing up to be killed one at a time like in the last ep.

Are you saying the show has gone downhill since the early days? Surely not.

[FourWheelDrift]

Deesee said:

Story telling like this...from season one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q6GW03WsFgU

Now we just get CGI Dragons, and CGI battles in season 8.

What would you expect and ending to be involving Dragons, huge Armies and revenge filled plots? Things build up not down.

[petemurphy]

bran to return as night king and take the throne is my bet

tomorrow is gonna have to be a no internet day. in fact i'm not going out!

[Deesee]

FourWheelDrift said:

Deesee said:

Story telling like this...from season one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q6GW03WsFgU

Now we just get CGI Dragons, and CGI battles in season 8.

What would you expect and ending to be involving Dragons, huge Armies and revenge filled plots? Things build up not down.

Highlights for me were battle of 5 kings story line, red wedding, and Joffrey death.

Did not expect a Micheal Bay movie for the end of the story.

[Butter Face]

Deesee said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Deesee said:

Story telling like this...from season one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q6GW03WsFgU

Now we just get CGI Dragons, and CGI battles in season 8.

What would you expect and ending to be involving Dragons, huge Armies and revenge filled plots? Things build up not down.

Highlights for me were battle of 5 kings story line, red wedding, and Joffrey death.

Did not expect a Micheal Bay movie for the end of the story.

What did you expect?

The Dragons have been growing, armies have been building, tensions have been rising. I can't see any other way for this to go.

[GravelBen]

JagLover said:

Quite how anyone is going to make a great TV show out of the Wheel of Time I am not quite sure. They are going to need some great writers, and to take a chainsaw to the material, to even get it down to ten seasons.

I've been wondering about this too as I'm currently reading through the wheel of Time (halfway through book 6) after somehow never reading them before, and heard they are making a tv show based on it.

I think the first 3 books would translate to tv/movie ok because the character's perspective is relatively limited and very much a journey of discovery, but after that the scale escalates dramatically... I mean really, the series apparently has 2782 distinct named characters! And so much history/pre-history/myth backstory underlying its events.

[chris watton]

Finally watched it last night and exactly as I expected, very pretty to look at but ultimately a very hollow/empty experience otherwise. Never thought I'd say that for any episode of GoT.

[Butter Face]

Halb said:

Great clip. Also points out the intricate nature of the KG outfit, the enamel work, I never notice that disappeared in the later series till recently. Maybe they changed wardrobe person or maybe they just forgot.
Back then the KG were good fighters, not queuing up to be killed one at a time like in the last ep.

The Kingsguard/Queensguard armour has changed/evolved through seasons, current Queensguard armor is black/no cloaks. It's based on the design/choosing of the Monarch (Ser Arthur Dayne in the Tower of Joy flashback had very different armour for Aerys long before the current timeline)

Are you getting confuzzled with the Lannister army redcloaks that were in the streets? They were the Star Trek 'red shirts' of the episode for sure.

[JagLover]

GravelBen said:

I've been wondering about this too as I'm currently reading through the wheel of Time (halfway through book 6) after somehow never reading them before, and heard they are making a tv show based on it.

I think the first 3 books would translate to tv/movie ok because the character's perspective is relatively limited and very much a journey of discovery, but after that the scale escalates dramatically... I mean really, the series apparently has 2782 distinct named characters! And so much history/pre-history/myth backstory underlying its events.

I think they would and they wouldn't. By which I mean if they want to capture the feel of GOT, rather than something that looks like Legend of the Seeker, then they need to have the larger stakes and more political and military feel of the later books. The number of characters isn't really an issue as later books (which you haven't reached yet) become a bloated mess. You could excise half of those characters and have no impact on the core story whatsoever.

I think the challenge from adaptation is, imo, you need to compress the early as well drastically compress the later books and also try to bring in aspects that many will expect from a big budget TV show. Romance for example (not sexposition as in early GOT seasons), almost non-existent in the early books as I remember.

It would take a very good writer and one willing to be bold in what they introduce as well as what they prune. Odds are then it will be a disappointing mess.

[Steve7777]

Deesee said:

Story telling like this...from season one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q6GW03WsFgU

Now we just get CGI Dragons, and CGI battles in season 8.

A different league to the current stuff. I really should rewatch the whole first season..

[FourWheelDrift]

Deesee said:

Highlights for me were battle of 5 kings story line, red wedding, and Joffrey death.

Did not expect a Micheal Bay movie for the end of the story.

What we are watching are the battles of the 5 kings (1 king, 2 queens) that we didn't get to see in any detail because of the lack of money in the early series, or indeed something on par with the destruction of the armies, castles and fleets by Aegon the Conqueror and Balerion. There are no weddings planned.

No one expected a tea and cakes discussion around a table for the end of the story.

[anonymous-user]

if bran ends up on the thine then it i st, i mean his story line has been pants, we never get any real inside information on him or into him, very 2d character really, but most characters have become 2d really, with random decisions and outcomes.

[FiF]

Actually, for me at least, is that I no longer care how it ends. Only going to watch it to be informed of the background to what all the frothing will be about.

Agree btw with the poster above who commented that the later books just became bloated, huge understatement.

[Deesee]

FourWheelDrift said:

Deesee said:

Highlights for me were battle of 5 kings story line, red wedding, and Joffrey death.

Did not expect a Micheal Bay movie for the end of the story.

What we are watching are the battles of the 5 kings (1 king, 2 queens) that we didn't get to see in any detail because of the lack of money in the early series, or indeed something on par with the destruction of the armies, castles and fleets by Aegon the Conqueror and Balerion. There are no weddings planned.

No one expected a tea and cakes discussion around a table for the end of the story.

The only thing that can sort this mess is a doom.

[Deesee]

Steve7777 said:

Deesee said:

Story telling like this...from season one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q6GW03WsFgU

Now we just get CGI Dragons, and CGI battles in season 8.

A different league to the current stuff. I really should rewatch the whole first season..

That story telling, that picture painting was exactly what GOT was about, ‘get in er kingslayer’...

These were some of the finest soldiers/warriors in Westeros, you did not need to see the battle to understand what they had done.

[Deesee]

Butter Face said:

What did you expect?

The Dragons have been growing, armies have been building, tensions have been rising. I can't see any other way for this to go.

The dragons have been brought down in combat, although drogon has plot armour/ Euron lost his aim...tensions... not quite... as no time for story telling, no depth... easy way out mad queen burn the lot..

We could have had giants v elephants if they wanted a CGI fest with a decent plot, or a even a replay of the trident (no dragons as she goes off with them).

We could have had Aria welcome the Lannister’s to the twins (wearing walders face).

We’ve seen army’s decimated but yet there’s more unsullied than ever.

It was a cash out for me rather than the jackpot..

[Clockwork Cupcake]

The way I see it is like a really good motor race whose closing laps settled down into a bit of a procession. You can rue the poor ending but it's still been a great race.

So I don't really mind how it ends; I've enjoyed it as a series.

[chris watton]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

The way I see it is like a really good motor race whose closing laps settled down into a bit of a procession. You can rue the poor ending but it's still been a great race.

So I don't really mind how it ends; I've enjoyed it as a series.

Not for me, due to the way the 8 seasons were structured. You see, if we take a series like Dexter, which also had a very disappointing final season, they do not directly compare regarding re views. Each season of Dexter had its own self contained season story arc, with beginning, middle and (usually) satisfactory end. You could watch any season and still enjoy them because of this.

GoT is more like a continuous story throughout the seasons, more like a movie of steroids, with no real resolutions in the final episodes of each season, it always was a build up the bigger picture, always looming closer into view. This, I thought, was the undead arriving once Winter takes hold, and try to wipe out all human life, thus putting into perspective the futility of vying for the throne - But no. This is why re-watching previous seasons of GoT less tempting, as The Last Jedi made the previous film not worth watching. Any anticipation of a good resolution (and I do not mean having favourite characters live or die, I was prepared for anything before I watched The Long Night episode, and fully expected some of my faves to meet their end, if it served the story, I did not mind), is now lost and it must be treated as any other crappy Hollywood material that looks great but ultimately empty.

This is my view, and I am sure many do not share it, but I can only speak from my perspective

[Clockwork Cupcake]

chris watton said:

This is why re-watching previous seasons of GoT less tempting, as The Last Jedi made the previous film not worth watching.

It's a fair comment. Luke dismissively throwing his old lightsaber away after Rey presented it to him was rather a metaphor for the filmmaker's opinion of the previous films and their lore.

But, having said that, it doesn't negate the enjoyment I gained from the old films, just like the disappointment of S8 of GoT doesn't diminish the enjoyment I gained from the earlier seasons.

Obviously a satisfying conclusion would be even better. But it is what it is.

[chris watton]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

chris watton said:

This is why re-watching previous seasons of GoT less tempting, as The Last Jedi made the previous film not worth watching.

It's a fair comment. Luke dismissively throwing his old lightsaber away after Rey presented it to him was rather a metaphor for the filmmaker's opinion of the previous films and their lore.

But, having said that, it doesn't negate the enjoyment I gained from the old films, just like the disappointment of S8 of GoT doesn't diminish the enjoyment I gained from the earlier seasons.

Obviously a satisfying conclusion would be even better. But it is what it is.

I think you misunderstood, the original SW trilogy is fine, as are the prequels, even Rogue One. It is the sequels that are no unwatchable. All the others I shall continue to re watch and enjoy.

I too enjoyed the previous seasons of GoT, so much so that I have them all already on Blu Ray, and was going purchase them all again in 4k format. But not now. The pay off isn't worth the investment.