Saving lives at sea: BBC 1
Discussion
ecsrobin said:
Athlon said:
What a fantastic start to the new series, what a brave young lad Joe is, I hope he gets recognised by some sort of award. I believe the next one is on this Thursday.
Just watching this. Absolutely incredible effort from him! He must be getting an award from that surely!https://www.prideofbritain.com/nominate
This is an amazing series and shows normal folk risking their own lives to help somebody else, truly inspiring.
There is one thing that annoys me though, why on earth is the RNLI reliant on charity, I would rather some of my taxes went to fund this most worthwhile venture than any number of hair brained schemes that we seem to pump tax money into.
S
There is one thing that annoys me though, why on earth is the RNLI reliant on charity, I would rather some of my taxes went to fund this most worthwhile venture than any number of hair brained schemes that we seem to pump tax money into.
S
BY not being under the government wing allows the RNLI freedom. New boats are being built to the best specifications, new or updated boathouses are being constructed the list goes on, looking at the sad state our emergency services are in due to cuts and interference from the powers that be, I am glad the RNLI stands apart from them.
There is another thought, the RNLI prides itself on being non-judgemental, and non political, if you are in trouble and they can help, they will, who ever you are or for whatever reason you ended up in bother. What happens later is of no interest to them as long as they do the best they can to carry you safely to land. And being a charity means not being used as a political pawn (see the NHS) at every election.
There is another thought, the RNLI prides itself on being non-judgemental, and non political, if you are in trouble and they can help, they will, who ever you are or for whatever reason you ended up in bother. What happens later is of no interest to them as long as they do the best they can to carry you safely to land. And being a charity means not being used as a political pawn (see the NHS) at every election.
Imagine the effect if, for example, Govt imposed the same cuts that are being imposed on other emergency services. For example our police force has made 60million savings in efficiencies on top of 20 million cash savings.
The force is on its knees, we haven't got proper armed response cover, yet we have to find another 23 million in savings, that's another 11% reduction approx.
The force is on its knees, we haven't got proper armed response cover, yet we have to find another 23 million in savings, that's another 11% reduction approx.
skeeterm5 said:
This is an amazing series and shows normal folk risking their own lives to help somebody else, truly inspiring.
There is one thing that annoys me though, why on earth is the RNLI reliant on charity, I would rather some of my taxes went to fund this most worthwhile venture than any number of hair brained schemes that we seem to pump tax money into.
S
This was discussed a while ago on PH. There is one thing that annoys me though, why on earth is the RNLI reliant on charity, I would rather some of my taxes went to fund this most worthwhile venture than any number of hair brained schemes that we seem to pump tax money into.
S
Don't forget that the RNLI covers two independent sovereign nations, the UK and the Republic of Ireland. When you say "government", you are actually advocating TWO separate governments getting involved. That would be a recipe for disaster.
The RNLI works best precisely because there is NO government involvement. Long may it stay that way.
skeeterm5 said:
All fair points about control and/or interfernce.
But still, such a worthy cause is worth funding if you could get it as some sort of annuity from tax.
Never going to happen I know, but it strikes me this is worthy of support.
S
See my comments above. Two sets of governments trying to control and dictate to the RNLI would effectively destroy it.But still, such a worthy cause is worth funding if you could get it as some sort of annuity from tax.
Never going to happen I know, but it strikes me this is worthy of support.
S
It is best left alone to arrange its own affairs.
Many Brits forget completely that the RNLI is also a key organisation in the Republic of Ireland. One of my uncles was the Cox of the Howth life boat (back in the 1970s) and my sister worked as a secretary in their Dublin HQ.
skeeterm5 said:
All fair points about control and/or interfernce.
But still, such a worthy cause is worth funding if you could get it as some sort of annuity from tax.
Never going to happen I know, but it strikes me this is worthy of support.
S
My MR team gets nominal support from the Welsh government - very nominal £800 a year But still, such a worthy cause is worth funding if you could get it as some sort of annuity from tax.
Never going to happen I know, but it strikes me this is worthy of support.
S
but we're very happy with that as they let us get on with it.Re government funding. Don't forget the RNLI is a registered charity, so indirectly does get funding.
They pay no tax on their income, also 'gift aid' gives them funding from private donations.
I suspect they claim back any VAT they pay on their expenses.
Do they pay commercial rates on their properties?
They pay no tax on their income, also 'gift aid' gives them funding from private donations.
I suspect they claim back any VAT they pay on their expenses.
Do they pay commercial rates on their properties?
megaphone said:
Re government funding. Don't forget the RNLI is a registered charity, so indirectly does get funding.
They pay no tax on their income, also 'gift aid' gives them funding from private donations.
I suspect they claim back any VAT they pay on their expenses.
Do they pay commercial rates on their properties?
So basically they are treated exactly the same as every other registered charity then? Even if a look at the aim and operation of some charities results in raised eyebrows. Charities where no one literally puts their lives on the line, ever.They pay no tax on their income, also 'gift aid' gives them funding from private donations.
I suspect they claim back any VAT they pay on their expenses.
Do they pay commercial rates on their properties?
The rescue last night showing the yacht pulled off the shore close to Brighton could have ended with one or all not going home to their families. Trying to get a line across in that confused sea and in such wind meant such close quarter manoeuvres that could have ended with the yacht landing on top of a fully or partially capsized ILB.
To question whether folks giving such service pay the full rates on the premises is, frankly, a f
king disgrace.On last night's episode why didn't the father try and help rescue his daughter as well instead of leaving it to just the grandfather?
Have respect for the lifeboats as my grandparents lived in Dorset and I used to visit them each summer.
One summer I was brought back to shore by a lifeboat rib after getting carried away from the shore unsupervised when I was quite young, my parents didn't find out which was a relief at the time but looking back I'm surprised they even let me out in the sea alone.
OT but recently found out I hd a great uncle who was lost at sea swimming to the Isle of Wight
Have respect for the lifeboats as my grandparents lived in Dorset and I used to visit them each summer.
One summer I was brought back to shore by a lifeboat rib after getting carried away from the shore unsupervised when I was quite young, my parents didn't find out which was a relief at the time but looking back I'm surprised they even let me out in the sea alone.
OT but recently found out I hd a great uncle who was lost at sea swimming to the Isle of Wight
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