Saving lives at sea: BBC 1
Discussion
FiF said:
Whilst Coppice makes a fair point above about non RNLI SaR operations, have personally had the misfortune to see one such outfit that when confronted with a life threatening situation would have easily qualified for both the Walts and 4x4 response threads.
This isn't intended to decry all such outfits, as many do excellent work, but it does raise the question over the need for standards. Problem is if requirements become statutory that goes completely against the philosophy of the RNLI who clearly, and correctly imo, wish to be independent of government, ie not have statutory status.
As in the other thread, I find it completely disrespectful that people who give of their time, and sometimes their lives, be labelled as "Walts".This isn't intended to decry all such outfits, as many do excellent work, but it does raise the question over the need for standards. Problem is if requirements become statutory that goes completely against the philosophy of the RNLI who clearly, and correctly imo, wish to be independent of government, ie not have statutory status.
I am so fed up with armchair keyboard idiots delighting in name calling others. It is so negative and insulting.
If I was drowning I wouldn't care less about the demeanour of the chap who was saving me.
Eric Mc said:
As in the other thread, I find it completely disrespectful that people who give of their time, and sometimes their lives, be labelled as "Walts".
I am so fed up with armchair keyboard idiots delighting in name calling others. It is so negative and insulting.
If I was drowning I wouldn't care less about the demeanour of the chap who was saving me.
You weren't there, you didn't see the fiasco , you didn't see a member of the public attempting rescue while the dry suit garbed rescuers sat by. Frankly I don't give a toss about your opinion on this, because in this case you are simply wrong. You complain about insults and then freely hand them out whilst not knowing the facts.I am so fed up with armchair keyboard idiots delighting in name calling others. It is so negative and insulting.
If I was drowning I wouldn't care less about the demeanour of the chap who was saving me.
Was the person saved?
Did the RNLI person succeed in carrying out their duty?
If the answer is "no" to the above, then perhaps you might have a point.
I'm not concerned about what you think of me. What I do know is that far too many people are keen to see the negative in everything. It's attitudes like this that do more to undermine society and destroy incentives for civic duty. I think that views like yours are perhaps a bigger threat to civillised society than any terrorists could ever be. They are just so corrosive and inhibiting.
Did the RNLI person succeed in carrying out their duty?
If the answer is "no" to the above, then perhaps you might have a point.
I'm not concerned about what you think of me. What I do know is that far too many people are keen to see the negative in everything. It's attitudes like this that do more to undermine society and destroy incentives for civic duty. I think that views like yours are perhaps a bigger threat to civillised society than any terrorists could ever be. They are just so corrosive and inhibiting.
Eric Mc said:
Was the person saved?
Did the RNLI person succeed in carrying out their duty?
If the answer is "no" to the above, then perhaps you might have a point.
I'm not concerned about what you think of me. What I do know is that far too many people are keen to see the negative in everything. It's attitudes like this that do more to undermine society and destroy incentives for civic duty. I think that views like yours are perhaps a bigger threat to civillised society than any terrorists could ever be. They are just so corrosive and inhibiting.
No and no, are the answers to your questions.Did the RNLI person succeed in carrying out their duty?
If the answer is "no" to the above, then perhaps you might have a point.
I'm not concerned about what you think of me. What I do know is that far too many people are keen to see the negative in everything. It's attitudes like this that do more to undermine society and destroy incentives for civic duty. I think that views like yours are perhaps a bigger threat to civillised society than any terrorists could ever be. They are just so corrosive and inhibiting.
It was nothing to do with the RNLI, it was an independent SaR outfit, that was clearly what was being discussed which makes me wonder what you do understand.
The whole post was in the context of a very sad event where the rescue outfit failed to respond adequately, which then went on to discuss the question of standards, eg equipment, training. The outfit in question has since recognised they failed and turned things around.
But anyway you carry on having a pop at someone who simply wants continual improvement.
Eric Mc said:
The thread is supposed to be about a programme on the RNLI. Why you brought up something not connected to the RNLI is beyond me.
The RNLI is a very professional outfit - even if everybody involved is a volunteer.
Read the post by Coppice at 07:12. on page 1, even specifically referred to it in the opening comment in my post.The RNLI is a very professional outfit - even if everybody involved is a volunteer.
Edited by FiF on Thursday 14th July 12:21
I'll let you off.
I get very angry when people criticise the RNLI. My whole family comes from a long line of seafarers and sailors (even though not this generation) and the RNLI has been part of one of our supported charities all my life. As I mentioned, I had an uncle who captained our local lifeboat and even my sister worked for a short while in their Irish HQ.
I get very angry when people criticise the RNLI. My whole family comes from a long line of seafarers and sailors (even though not this generation) and the RNLI has been part of one of our supported charities all my life. As I mentioned, I had an uncle who captained our local lifeboat and even my sister worked for a short while in their Irish HQ.
Not watched it yet, I do remember vividly my first call out, Arun class boat (the Severn was broken) severe weather, me as yet received no training and no sea history apart from paddling, Atlantic Ocean and lots of dead people and blood, I had never seen anyone dead before, life changer.
Tenuous link from my side - my mum ran off with the landlord of a local pub when I was 10, his brother was on the Solomon Browne lifeboat that was lost with all hands in the Penlee disaster. He had a small piece of painted white wood from the Solomon Browne's hull as a memento, very poignant.
Athlon said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
very good
done my few bits helping friends in the RNLI do their stuff and do fund raising. Great organisation (though I am not so sure about them making their own lifeboats! They've been designing them for a while, but actually producing them in house is another matter!).
Was down Harlyn on sunday and the surf was pretty decent! The beach guards were out on the rescue boards a few times to pluck people from the water and they had the little RIB out doing the rounds to make sure everyone was ok. You really do feel safe in the water with those guys there.
Have you seen the ALB centre at Poole? Trust me, production will be first rate, the guys at SAR composites that used to lay down the hulls have re-located to Poole along with many of the guys that used to fit them out, bringing the build in house saves 3.5 million a year and ensures quality control is the very best it has ever been. Two boats built in house are already in service and working well.done my few bits helping friends in the RNLI do their stuff and do fund raising. Great organisation (though I am not so sure about them making their own lifeboats! They've been designing them for a while, but actually producing them in house is another matter!).
Was down Harlyn on sunday and the surf was pretty decent! The beach guards were out on the rescue boards a few times to pluck people from the water and they had the little RIB out doing the rounds to make sure everyone was ok. You really do feel safe in the water with those guys there.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 13th July 11:41
Hopefully when folk watch this show they will realise there is far more than the big boats to the RNLI, the inshore boats, lifeguards with the rescue craft, Arancia inflatables and body boards as well as the flood rescue teams.
It is a great charity and one I am very proud to be a volunteer fundraiser for them, the crews and stations treat us equally and as much as we respect them for doing what they do, they respect the fact we stand around in the rain collecting!!
I haven't seen the ALB centre no, but I have friends in the RNLI who were voicing a few concerns is all. I have been a bit out of the loop since one of them moved to pastures new.
Just been down to Cornwall (Padstow, Harlyn etc , been in the Padstow station hidden round the corner now) and its great down there. You can really enjoy yourself knowing these guys have your back. And they have great presence too, they're not just an add-on to the communities, they are integral. If I ever move down there or even just near the sea...My names going down on the volunteer list.
nicanary said:
FiF said:
As someone said above, the only charity I support and volunteer for fundraising activities.
Also one thing that really grinds my gears is when the AA advertise themselves as the 4th emergency service.
RNLI and 4 X 4 Response.Also one thing that really grinds my gears is when the AA advertise themselves as the 4th emergency service.
Compare and contrast.........
He was then asked if he thought he was brave......"Ermm......not really"
Somehow I just can't envisage an organisation involving people who film themselves "rescuing" an RAC van from one flooded car park to another and then posting it on YouTube being blessed with quite the same humility.
Watch the RNLI program and then watch some of the 4x4 Hero vids.....the characters involved are fundamentally different in almost every way.
(PS If that offends anyone Eric, so be it. The overstated and often unnecessary intervention by large swathes of the 4x4 Hero Squad coupled with their apparently massive overestimation of its value simply pales in to total insignificance and is bought in to even greater perspective when viewed alongside the quiet heroism of the RNLI etc.)
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 14th July 15:49
waynedear said:
Not watched it yet, I do remember vividly my first call out, Arun class boat (the Severn was broken) severe weather, me as yet received no training and no sea history apart from paddling, Atlantic Ocean and lots of dead people and blood, I had never seen anyone dead before, life changer.
What was the incident?Crossflow Kid said:
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(PS If that offends anyone Eric, so be it. The overstated and often unnecessary intervention by large swathes of the 4x4 Hero Squad coupled with their apparently massive overestimation of its value simply pales in to total insignificance and is bought in to even greater perspective when viewed alongside the quiet heroism of the RNLI etc.)
Doesn't offend me at all - but I think you should keep such comments for the other thread. It has no place here, really.(PS If that offends anyone Eric, so be it. The overstated and often unnecessary intervention by large swathes of the 4x4 Hero Squad coupled with their apparently massive overestimation of its value simply pales in to total insignificance and is bought in to even greater perspective when viewed alongside the quiet heroism of the RNLI etc.)
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Thursday 14th July 15:49
The RNLI are a class act and I will always be in awe of those who are involved in it.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Excellent
I haven't seen the ALB centre no, but I have friends in the RNLI who were voicing a few concerns is all. I have been a bit out of the loop since one of them moved to pastures new.
Just been down to Cornwall (Padstow, Harlyn etc , been in the Padstow station hidden round the corner now) and its great down there. You can really enjoy yourself knowing these guys have your back. And they have great presence too, they're not just an add-on to the communities, they are integral. If I ever move down there or even just near the sea...My names going down on the volunteer list.
Next time you are down let me know and I will put you in touch with my mate at Padstow, should get you a good luck around the boat and some behind the scenes stuff, then you will see what it is really like for them! pic is taken off 'Spirit of Padstow' last year I haven't seen the ALB centre no, but I have friends in the RNLI who were voicing a few concerns is all. I have been a bit out of the loop since one of them moved to pastures new.
Just been down to Cornwall (Padstow, Harlyn etc , been in the Padstow station hidden round the corner now) and its great down there. You can really enjoy yourself knowing these guys have your back. And they have great presence too, they're not just an add-on to the communities, they are integral. If I ever move down there or even just near the sea...My names going down on the volunteer list.
jinkster said:
Excellent job by the RNLI. Its a real shame that such a service relies on donations.
.That would put them at the beg and call of the government which would not be good. Its the same reason air ambulances are mainly public funded.
Great programme they are far better role models than footballers etc.
There are lots of smaller local lifeboats that also require support.
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