Dunkirk - Christopher Nolan film
Discussion
Halmyre said:
That's something that never crossed my mind. What was the public reaction at the time?
I think the (largely propaganda-driven) reaction at the time was one of heroes returning home, though how that settled with a population which I imagine had a large percentage of veterans/families of the first world war I couldnt say for sure. My understanding is that it ultimately led to the volunteering/recruitment of many more young soldiers and the stories of it were one of many steps that brought the US around to the idea of joining our fight.A chap at work has now-deceased family who was a driver of the trains bringing the men home, apparently he wrote two autobiographies with the second telling the tale. Hes going to try and dig it out for me - maybe it will allude to the genuine feelings of the average man at the time.
Ayahuasca said:
I saw it in New York. I think the audience was waiting for the bit where the USA saves the day.
The Spitfires were worth the cost of admission on their own. The shots back along the fuselage to the tail were wonderful. The Spitfire landing on the beach and burning to almost Elgar was poetry. There are black and white photos of a crashed Spitfire on Dunkirk beach, maybe the inspiration. Yes there were goofs - Dunkirk to Weymouth? But who cares?
Probably supposed to be the Spitfire featured in the Channel 4 documentary and now restored to flying condition.The Spitfires were worth the cost of admission on their own. The shots back along the fuselage to the tail were wonderful. The Spitfire landing on the beach and burning to almost Elgar was poetry. There are black and white photos of a crashed Spitfire on Dunkirk beach, maybe the inspiration. Yes there were goofs - Dunkirk to Weymouth? But who cares?
The Spitfire thing - I thought it was gliding only seemingly longer as you switched between the plot lines.
I think if you'd just stayed with Hardy, he'd have run our of fuel, started gliding along the coast, managed to shoot down the Stuka as it passed in front of him, then landed, blown the aircraft.
The switching to The Mole plot line extended the glide.
Anyway - saw Dunkirk this afternoon - it's a brilliant film, and that was some soundtrack!
Was just very sad to exit the cinema out into Telford's finest and feel very, very sad for the future.
What a contrast.
I think if you'd just stayed with Hardy, he'd have run our of fuel, started gliding along the coast, managed to shoot down the Stuka as it passed in front of him, then landed, blown the aircraft.
The switching to The Mole plot line extended the glide.
Anyway - saw Dunkirk this afternoon - it's a brilliant film, and that was some soundtrack!
Was just very sad to exit the cinema out into Telford's finest and feel very, very sad for the future.
What a contrast.
LHRFlightman said:
The most intensely emotional film I've ever seen. I came out exhausted and very emotional.
It's a masterpiece.
I think this perfectly sums up my thoughts too. It felt like I hadn't breathed for 2 hours at the end. I'm not sure if I'd watch it again but I'd put that up there as the best cinema experience I've ever had.It's a masterpiece.
Gutted I have no practical way of ever seeing it as intended.
Mothersruin said:
Was just very sad to exit the cinema out into Telford's finest and feel very, very sad for the future.
The Dunkirk spirit is not strong in you!The film depicts an earlier and considerably 'harder' Brexit than the current one, and it all turned out well in the end. Chin up laddie.
The only part of the film I didn't like was the scene in the hold of the beached trawler; it didn't seem to add anything.
Just saw a late night showing and I would give it 8/10.
I think it was awesome to hear Micheal Caine's voice in a spitfire and thought it was an awesome nod to 'The Battle of Britain'. The Spitfire flying scenes are epic and for me make the film.
I think you need to see it a few times to get the 3 different story lines in your head as it can be confusing at times.
My only bad point was as someone else has mentioned the continuity of the weather, one minute it looks grey and miserable and the next its beautiful sunshine. I don't pretend to understand the nightmare filming this kind of thing must be like, but surely someone noticed it!
Def go and see it though.
I think it was awesome to hear Micheal Caine's voice in a spitfire and thought it was an awesome nod to 'The Battle of Britain'. The Spitfire flying scenes are epic and for me make the film.
I think you need to see it a few times to get the 3 different story lines in your head as it can be confusing at times.
My only bad point was as someone else has mentioned the continuity of the weather, one minute it looks grey and miserable and the next its beautiful sunshine. I don't pretend to understand the nightmare filming this kind of thing must be like, but surely someone noticed it!
Def go and see it though.
It's strange that some are confused by the time frames yet it washes over many without any concern. I'm pretty terrible at following time shifts etc usually but I didn't think there was anything to 'get' with this movie, it's pretty obvious that sailing across the channel and back is significantly longer than one Spitfire sortee.
Saw it on Monday. Brilliant. Watched 'The Battle of Britain' as soon as we got home......
With regard to the (changing) weather continuity between scenes, the film was edited over three different time frames: the beaches (1 week), boat (1 day) and air (1 hour) so I presume the weather was consistent between relevant scenes?
ie all the air scenes were sunny (space of 1 hour), the boat scenes showed changing weather over 1 day and the beach scenes showed changeable weather over the period of a week?
The critical aspect of the film, in terms of it's very production, is that Christopher Nolan was able to get a big budget to make a British film about British history (#) using British actors - without a Holywood hero saving the day......
Hope the British film industry can capitalise on this success in future: who knows we might have 'Robin Hood' actually played by a Brit! (and not the likes of Douglas Fairbanks/ Errol Flynn/ Kevin Costner/ Russel Crowe etc etc etc...)
A bit political here: We should learn a history lesson from the film: Dunkirk was a successful 'Brexit'. We can do it again!
I think I speak for all of us: thanks to (the memories of) all those involved in the actual historical events.
(#) The Dunkirk evacuation is a major event for the British but is probably a mere footnote to many other nationalities (especially given the passage of time - almost 80 years)
With regard to the (changing) weather continuity between scenes, the film was edited over three different time frames: the beaches (1 week), boat (1 day) and air (1 hour) so I presume the weather was consistent between relevant scenes?
ie all the air scenes were sunny (space of 1 hour), the boat scenes showed changing weather over 1 day and the beach scenes showed changeable weather over the period of a week?
The critical aspect of the film, in terms of it's very production, is that Christopher Nolan was able to get a big budget to make a British film about British history (#) using British actors - without a Holywood hero saving the day......
Hope the British film industry can capitalise on this success in future: who knows we might have 'Robin Hood' actually played by a Brit! (and not the likes of Douglas Fairbanks/ Errol Flynn/ Kevin Costner/ Russel Crowe etc etc etc...)
A bit political here: We should learn a history lesson from the film: Dunkirk was a successful 'Brexit'. We can do it again!
I think I speak for all of us: thanks to (the memories of) all those involved in the actual historical events.
(#) The Dunkirk evacuation is a major event for the British but is probably a mere footnote to many other nationalities (especially given the passage of time - almost 80 years)
alfaspecial said:
With regard to the (changing) weather continuity between scenes, the film was edited over three different time frames: the beaches (1 week), boat (1 day) and air (1 hour) so I presume the weather was consistent between relevant scenes?
ie all the air scenes were sunny (space of 1 hour), the boat scenes showed changing weather over 1 day and the beach scenes showed changeable weather over the period of a week?
Watched an interview with Branagh last night on youtube... he made the point that I thought was a good one, that on some/many occasions it's perfectly possible to be stood in the shade of stormy clouds one minute and then be bathed in sunshine the next.... and that's aside from the very valid point about the timelines having their own specific weather....ie all the air scenes were sunny (space of 1 hour), the boat scenes showed changing weather over 1 day and the beach scenes showed changeable weather over the period of a week?
alfaspecial said:
With regard to the (changing) weather continuity between scenes, the film was edited over three different time frames: the beaches (1 week), boat (1 day) and air (1 hour) so I presume the weather was consistent between relevant scenes?
ie all the air scenes were sunny (space of 1 hour), the boat scenes showed changing weather over 1 day and the beach scenes showed changeable weather over the period of a week?
I thought that worked well, allowing the film to give equal weight to events on land, sea and air. But it seems to have caused confusion for some, seeing the time changes as continuity errors.ie all the air scenes were sunny (space of 1 hour), the boat scenes showed changing weather over 1 day and the beach scenes showed changeable weather over the period of a week?
alfaspecial said:
A bit political here: We should learn a history lesson from the film: Dunkirk was a successful 'Brexit'. We can do it again!
Funny how people learn the wrong things from historical events.Whilst I would never want to disparage the bravery of both military and civilians involved in rescuing the troops.
Dunkirk was not a success it was a disaster (Churchill knew this and said so)
The fact that it could have been a total disaster - does not make it even less of a disaster.
So whilst your logic for implying Brexit will be a success is wrong.
The comparison with Brexit is however still valid - the question really is will Brexit be a Disaster or a Total Disaster?
As Theresa May is no Winston Churchill and David Davis is no Admiral Bertram Ramsay - the high probability is that it will be a total disaster.
Edited by SpielBoy on Wednesday 26th July 10:38
lufbramatt said:
Great. I had wondered how they'd got an IMAX camera into a cockpit and that explains it 
lufbramatt said:
Excellent. Thank you. 
SpielBoy said:
Funny how people learn the wrong things from historical events.
Whilst I would never want to disparage the bravery of both military and civilians involved in rescuing the troops.
Dunkirk was not a success it was a disaster (Churchill knew this and said so)
Whilst I would never want to disparage the bravery of both military and civilians involved in rescuing the troops.
Dunkirk was not a success it was a disaster (Churchill knew this and said so)
Edited by SpielBoy on Wednesday 26th July 10:38
I disagree. What led up to Dunkirk was disastrous but Dunkirk itself, i.e. the evacuation, was a success with over 330,000 troops brought to the UK when far fewer were expected to return.
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