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kwit that changed Goldfinger SpudLink said:
Sorry, but I’m confused. Are you saying there is a version of Goldeneye where Famke Janssen’s character is not called Xenia Onatopp?
No. The Xenia first pops up on a screen of Russian assassins in The Living Daylights, one of her attributes being she can kill with her thighs. The pic is a pretty chunky lady, like a shot putter. When the character pops up in Goldeneye, all sexed up I thought, 'oh cool' they're using a name from a previous film, which is nice continuity, but now I see it's been dubbed over in TLD, with an almost identical name to the one that 'Q' just mentions. At some point, maybe in the remastering process, somebody decided to Lucas it. Like they did with the timer in Goldfinger. To be clever I guess.
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Halb said:
SpudLink said:
Sorry, but I’m confused. Are you saying there is a version of Goldeneye where Famke Janssen’s character is not called Xenia Onatopp?
No. The Xenia first pops up on a screen of Russian assassins in The Living Daylights, one of her attributes being she can kill with her thighs. The pic is a pretty chunky lady, like a shot putter. When the character pops up in Goldeneye, all sexed up I thought, 'oh cool' they're using a name from a previous film, which is nice continuity, but now I see it's been dubbed over in TLD, with an almost identical name to the one that 'Q' just mentions. At some point, maybe in the remastering process, somebody decided to Lucas it. Like they did with the timer in Goldfinger. To be clever I guess.Shakermaker said:
I am too young to have seen The Living Daylights at the cinema, I would only have been about 2, but I never knew this. Certainly I've never seen it mentioned anywhere before. Good tidbit but I can't see it mentioned anywhere else!
Yeah, it's one of those things that has been forgotten I suppose.I recall someone on a board years ago complaining that they were using the same name in G from TLD, missing the point of continuity.
It was also in the version that was on telly up until...not too sure, I'm guessing post 2000. I'm guessing it happened when the same moron decided to change the timer at the end of Goldfinger from 003 to 007, making what Bond says next completely moronic.
execs...
Halb said:
Shakermaker said:
I am too young to have seen The Living Daylights at the cinema, I would only have been about 2, but I never knew this. Certainly I've never seen it mentioned anywhere before. Good tidbit but I can't see it mentioned anywhere else!
Yeah, it's one of those things that has been forgotten I suppose.I recall someone on a board years ago complaining that they were using the same name in G from TLD, missing the point of continuity.
It was also in the version that was on telly up until...not too sure, I'm guessing post 2000. I'm guessing it happened when the same moron decided to change the timer at the end of Goldfinger from 003 to 007, making what Bond says next completely moronic.
execs...
I guess I just never picked up on it when I first watched TLD and then Goldeneye. I remember going to see Goldeneye at the cinema with my dad in London, the first Bond film I saw at the cinema. I was lucky it was still showing given that it came out in November 1995 and this was February 1996. It was a 12 certificate, but it was the day before my 11th birthday... I felt like such a rebel. I don't think many films these days have a 3 month + run at the cinema!
Thanks for posting that link.
I’d never really thought about how OHMSS influences the character in the subsequent films. Apart from when specific mention is made of the fact that he was once married.
Actually, I’m not sure I agree with that theory. If anything, I’d say the films continued as though OHMSS had never happened.
I would also say that capable female characters existed in the franchise before Diana Rigg. The SPECTRE agent in Thunderball is one example. Yes, Bond got the better of her in the end, but that’s true of all bad guys, regardless of gender.
I’d never really thought about how OHMSS influences the character in the subsequent films. Apart from when specific mention is made of the fact that he was once married.
Actually, I’m not sure I agree with that theory. If anything, I’d say the films continued as though OHMSS had never happened.
I would also say that capable female characters existed in the franchise before Diana Rigg. The SPECTRE agent in Thunderball is one example. Yes, Bond got the better of her in the end, but that’s true of all bad guys, regardless of gender.
SpudLink said:
Thanks for posting that link.
I’d never really thought about how OHMSS influences the character in the subsequent films. Apart from when specific mention is made of the fact that he was once married.
Actually, I’m not sure I agree with that theory. If anything, I’d say the films continued as though OHMSS had never happened.
No, there's a few references. The next film, Diamonds Are Forever, supposedly starts with Bond seeking Blofeld in revenge for Tracy's murder. And there's a Moore film (View to a Kill?) where he visits her grave. And in Licence To Kill he mentions having been married...once.I’d never really thought about how OHMSS influences the character in the subsequent films. Apart from when specific mention is made of the fact that he was once married.
Actually, I’m not sure I agree with that theory. If anything, I’d say the films continued as though OHMSS had never happened.
SpudLink said:
I’d never really thought about how OHMSS influences the character in the subsequent films. Apart from when specific mention is made of the fact that he was once married.
Actually, I’m not sure I agree with that theory. If anything, I’d say the films continued as though OHMSS had never happened.
I would also say that capable female characters existed in the franchise before Diana Rigg. The SPECTRE agent in Thunderball is one example. Yes, Bond got the better of her in the end, but that’s true of all bad guys, regardless of gender.
I recall her, she was a cookie cutter, all I can recall is that she looked like a friend and her reprisal role was Fatima Blush in NSNAActually, I’m not sure I agree with that theory. If anything, I’d say the films continued as though OHMSS had never happened.
I would also say that capable female characters existed in the franchise before Diana Rigg. The SPECTRE agent in Thunderball is one example. Yes, Bond got the better of her in the end, but that’s true of all bad guys, regardless of gender.
Rigg was different though, she saved Bond, without her he'd be dead, and that particular scene is something I've referenced a bit, it's part of why I like OHMSS so much, Bond is broken and beaten, physically and mentally, and the scene is cut perfectly to show it. In one of the docs from last year they had clips of Rigg chatting about character, and she accepted the role because the part was an equal to Bond, and not like previous girls, and she was quite derisive of that nature of previous Bond girls and Bond character. In the doc they also document how the relationship with women changes from DAF onwards...damn if I can't recall it's name now, damn good doc
I haven’t seen the documentary. I’ll keep an eye out for it.
There are definitely references to Bond’s wife in later films. Another that comes to mind is in Spy Who Loved me, when he is chatting to Barbara Bach at the bar in Cairo, she gives a summary of his personnel file to show the KGB know everything about him. When she says “married only once” it obviously touches a raw nerve. It’s a small reaction, but a rear moment of someone getting under Bond’s skin in the Moore era.
I’ll agree that Diana Rigg’s character has more depth than any Bond Girl before. But in that respect she was a one-off. I can’t think of another until perhaps Octopussy that was more than two dimensional. I don’t think it’s the character’s ability to match Bond on the ski slopes, or to hold her own in a fight that made her stand out. It’s the fact that she was as flawed and damaged as Bond himself, and the film gave her time to explore that.
It’s an interesting debate.
There are definitely references to Bond’s wife in later films. Another that comes to mind is in Spy Who Loved me, when he is chatting to Barbara Bach at the bar in Cairo, she gives a summary of his personnel file to show the KGB know everything about him. When she says “married only once” it obviously touches a raw nerve. It’s a small reaction, but a rear moment of someone getting under Bond’s skin in the Moore era.
I’ll agree that Diana Rigg’s character has more depth than any Bond Girl before. But in that respect she was a one-off. I can’t think of another until perhaps Octopussy that was more than two dimensional. I don’t think it’s the character’s ability to match Bond on the ski slopes, or to hold her own in a fight that made her stand out. It’s the fact that she was as flawed and damaged as Bond himself, and the film gave her time to explore that.
It’s an interesting debate.
Movies
1. The Spy Who Loved Me
2. A view to a kill
3. Man with the Golden gun
Songs
1. Nobody Does It Better
2. Thunderball
3. OHMSS
Cars
1. Aston Martin DB5 (Goldfinger)
2. Lotus Esprit (TSWLM)
3. Aston Martin Vanquish (DAD)
Girls
1. Jane Seymour (LALD)
2. Barbara Bach (TSWLM)
3. Maud Adams (TMWTGG)
Maud Adams was a bond girl twice, with good reason
1. The Spy Who Loved Me
2. A view to a kill
3. Man with the Golden gun
Songs
1. Nobody Does It Better
2. Thunderball
3. OHMSS
Cars
1. Aston Martin DB5 (Goldfinger)
2. Lotus Esprit (TSWLM)
3. Aston Martin Vanquish (DAD)
Girls
1. Jane Seymour (LALD)
2. Barbara Bach (TSWLM)
3. Maud Adams (TMWTGG)
Maud Adams was a bond girl twice, with good reason
FourWheelDrift said:
For Your Eyes Only on right now. Right at the start Bond visits his wife's grave.
And a very short cameo for George Sweeney as the pilot of the helicopter.
has General Gogol got the most appearances for a frenemy in Bond or would that be Bloefeld (apparently he also appears in FYEO too)? And a very short cameo for George Sweeney as the pilot of the helicopter.
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