The James Bond Thread
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SpudLink said:
Scabutz said:
We’re in that period between Bond actors, when every British actor who looks good in a dinner jacket is considered for the role. 
I would of liked Iris Elba to play the part but too old now I think.
Just watched No Time To Die.
Am I alone in thinking that pretty much all of the Land/Range Rover chase through the Norwegian forests were complete pants.
The way the vehicles were rolling and flying about seemed to defy the laws of physics. It was not clear if it was actiual action or CGI but either way I thought it was real let down.
Am I alone in thinking that pretty much all of the Land/Range Rover chase through the Norwegian forests were complete pants.
The way the vehicles were rolling and flying about seemed to defy the laws of physics. It was not clear if it was actiual action or CGI but either way I thought it was real let down.
Abbott said:
Just watched No Time To Die.
Am I alone in thinking that pretty much all of the Land/Range Rover chase through the Norwegian forests were complete pants.
The way the vehicles were rolling and flying about seemed to defy the laws of physics. It was not clear if it was actiual action or CGI but either way I thought it was real let down.
It wasn't great and honestly looked like an ad break for the cars. Even the bits outside the car in forest looked odd.Am I alone in thinking that pretty much all of the Land/Range Rover chase through the Norwegian forests were complete pants.
The way the vehicles were rolling and flying about seemed to defy the laws of physics. It was not clear if it was actiual action or CGI but either way I thought it was real let down.
Abbott said:
Just watched No Time To Die.
Am I alone in thinking that pretty much all of the Land/Range Rover chase through the Norwegian forests were complete pants.
The way the vehicles were rolling and flying about seemed to defy the laws of physics. It was not clear if it was actiual action or CGI but either way I thought it was real let down.
Yep, this is why I'd love to see a Bond directed by someone like Christopher Nolan who focuses on realism. Not necessarily Nolan just someone who'd want as much of the action done for real, if it can't be done for real it won't look real on screen. Am I alone in thinking that pretty much all of the Land/Range Rover chase through the Norwegian forests were complete pants.
The way the vehicles were rolling and flying about seemed to defy the laws of physics. It was not clear if it was actiual action or CGI but either way I thought it was real let down.
bobbo89 said:
Abbott said:
Just watched No Time To Die.
Am I alone in thinking that pretty much all of the Land/Range Rover chase through the Norwegian forests were complete pants.
The way the vehicles were rolling and flying about seemed to defy the laws of physics. It was not clear if it was actiual action or CGI but either way I thought it was real let down.
Yep, this is why I'd love to see a Bond directed by someone like Christopher Nolan who focuses on realism. Not necessarily Nolan just someone who'd want as much of the action done for real, if it can't be done for real it won't look real on screen. Am I alone in thinking that pretty much all of the Land/Range Rover chase through the Norwegian forests were complete pants.
The way the vehicles were rolling and flying about seemed to defy the laws of physics. It was not clear if it was actiual action or CGI but either way I thought it was real let down.
Nolan would be great. Tenet and Inception are great auditions for a Bond movie, and it would be great to see him give Bond the same type of reboot treatment he gave Batman.
From 2017:
I'd imagine that agreeing the revenue split and production control/independence would be the biggest obstacle. I'd expect Nolan would want to have a fair amount of autonomy, whereas Eon are used to producing in-house, and I doubt they'd see an overwhelming reason to surrender the sort of creative control that Nolan may demand.
From 2017:
I'd imagine that agreeing the revenue split and production control/independence would be the biggest obstacle. I'd expect Nolan would want to have a fair amount of autonomy, whereas Eon are used to producing in-house, and I doubt they'd see an overwhelming reason to surrender the sort of creative control that Nolan may demand.
He would be good wouldn't he and maybe exactly who is needed following NTTD. The perfect person to come along and create a new (read back to old) Bond that allows us to forget about what happened and therefore allow NTTD and maybe the whole Craig era to stand alone.
As for the CGI stuff, I just think films are so much better when they go all in on doing stuff for real as much as possible, especially when you have an actor willing to do stunt work themselves. The Living Daylights is a perfect example of this, especially the intro in Gib as Dalton did the majority of the stunt work himself which allowed for all sorts of different and more immersive camera angles not possible when using a stunt double.
As for the CGI stuff, I just think films are so much better when they go all in on doing stuff for real as much as possible, especially when you have an actor willing to do stunt work themselves. The Living Daylights is a perfect example of this, especially the intro in Gib as Dalton did the majority of the stunt work himself which allowed for all sorts of different and more immersive camera angles not possible when using a stunt double.
There's lots of films where some incredible (often highly dangerous) stunt work may as well have been CGI or a composite shot either because it just looks that way anyway, or was so mangled with edits it's unrecognisable as 'real'.
There's lots of shots that people would be surprised they were real (or not!) but my favorite as a total waste of time is Tom Cruise doing a real HALO jump (lots of them) where they CGI'd in so much weather (plus the fake ground) that the whole thing may as well have been on a stage because it already looked like it was.
The Bond car stunts were real but the whole sequence was so pointless and low energy it didn't matter.
There's lots of shots that people would be surprised they were real (or not!) but my favorite as a total waste of time is Tom Cruise doing a real HALO jump (lots of them) where they CGI'd in so much weather (plus the fake ground) that the whole thing may as well have been on a stage because it already looked like it was.
The Bond car stunts were real but the whole sequence was so pointless and low energy it didn't matter.
The cars and the action in the chase sequences are all real (they had 10 DB5s, only two of which were real, other were M3 powered space frame chassis clothed in carbon fibre body panels), except they cut a lot of motorbike action out of the forest chase and had to tidy up with CGI replacing mud, ruts and ramps with grass and one of the RRS replaced a bike in CGI.
DoctorX said:
My take on this death thing is that it just completes that particular Bond story. The next one will have a new story arc, then time for another (and a new Bond).They can pick and choose bits from Bond history as they choose without being tied to continuity etc. A bit like, e.g. Batman. I don’t sit and watch a Christian Bale film and point out how this doesn’t reflect the 60s Batman. I think they reached the point where they can’t just keep churning them out with some pretence of continuity for ever more. Reboot and reset every few years. New Bond and, I suspect, new producers. That’s how I rationalise it. Still don’t agree with killing him though!
If you really concentrate on DC's bnd movies there is actually a pretty reasonable core running through them that follows the original book plots, just twisted to the modern plot lines. The end of 'you only live twice' is written as a cliffhanger and as if Bond dies escaping the island, I see the ending of NTTD as basically that. They just replaced Tracy with Dr Swann in Sceptre and embellished her character and the story a little. I'd like to think this side of the DC movies might become better appreciated with hindsight at some point in the future. Some of the parallels have been nicely done but don't ever seem to get much mention.
The later book series takes it further by having Bond's son appear, who supposedly came from the relationship during Bond's time on the island....
A dearth of James Bond news always leaves a vacuum for rubbish like this..
MEET THE NEW M
Why is this BS? Phoebe Waller-Bridge is now under-contract with Disney (attempting to revive the Indiana Jones franchise) while EON (James Bond productions) has since been acquired by rivals Amazon as part of their take-over of MGM. PWB will not be involved in the next Bond film unless lots of money changes hands (and I don't believe for a minute Amazon will think her input is worth paying through-the-nose for).
Sun reporter stringing bits of out-of-date information together for clickbait shocker.
MEET THE NEW M
Why is this BS? Phoebe Waller-Bridge is now under-contract with Disney (attempting to revive the Indiana Jones franchise) while EON (James Bond productions) has since been acquired by rivals Amazon as part of their take-over of MGM. PWB will not be involved in the next Bond film unless lots of money changes hands (and I don't believe for a minute Amazon will think her input is worth paying through-the-nose for).
Sun reporter stringing bits of out-of-date information together for clickbait shocker.
Evercross said:
A dearth of James Bond news always leaves a vacuum for rubbish like this..
MEET THE NEW M
Why is this BS? Phoebe Waller-Bridge is now under-contract with Disney (attempting to revive the Indiana Jones franchise) while EON (James Bond productions) has since been acquired by rivals Amazon as part of their take-over of MGM. PWB will not be involved in the next Bond film unless lots of money changes hands (and I don't believe for a minute Amazon will think her input is worth paying through-the-nose for).
Sun reporter stringing bits of out-of-date information together for clickbait shocker.
Not to mention the dreadful forced opinion poll at the end of the article.MEET THE NEW M
Why is this BS? Phoebe Waller-Bridge is now under-contract with Disney (attempting to revive the Indiana Jones franchise) while EON (James Bond productions) has since been acquired by rivals Amazon as part of their take-over of MGM. PWB will not be involved in the next Bond film unless lots of money changes hands (and I don't believe for a minute Amazon will think her input is worth paying through-the-nose for).
Sun reporter stringing bits of out-of-date information together for clickbait shocker.
What if I really like Bond films but think she'll be s
t?anonymoususer said:
ITV4 is showing Timothy Daltons second and least bond film Licence to Kill later tonight
It’s not great. Although, as with all Bond films, it has its moments. What happens to Felix is hard core. (Spoiler tags even those it’s almost impossible anyone reading this thread will be unaware what happens.)The long break before recasting was good for the franchise. Although it might’ve have been interesting to see what they would have done with a 3rd Dalton film.
SpudLink said:
It’s not great.
I disagree. It did absolutely the best it could with a franchise that was losing its raison d'etre (cold war etc.) and pivoted to an absolutely on-topic protagonist for the time ie. a drug-baron who having successfully taken control of a central-American country was seeking to influence neighbouring countries via military power.It also had a great cast with Robert Davi as the charismatic but utterly cruel villain and Anthony Zerbe as his drunkard frontman smuggler. Also the first major role for Benicio del Toro.
Compared to A View to a Kill and Diamonds are Forever it was a masterpiece.
Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 23 May 12:07
SpudLink said:
anonymoususer said:
ITV4 is showing Timothy Daltons second and least bond film Licence to Kill later tonight
It’s not great. Although, as with all Bond films, it has its moments. What happens to Felix is hard core. (Spoiler tags even those it’s almost impossible anyone reading this thread will be unaware what happens.)The long break before recasting was good for the franchise. Although it might’ve have been interesting to see what they would have done with a 3rd Dalton film.
As soon as Bond meets the baddie the films turn to turd.
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