The James Bond Thread

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Mothersruin

8,573 posts

98 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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SpudLink said:
Evercross said:
Halb said:
Time Fly said:
There has been a lot of on-line discourse about which actor should replace Bond after Daniel Craig leaves.

To my mind let's flip it and give the role to the wonderful Jodie Comer.
She's not got the physicality
No point discussing it anyway as the casting of a female 'Bond' has been explicitly ruled out by Wilson and Broccoli because it would then be a different character.
I’m not sure if I’ve said it on PH previously, but I would like to see a film where he faces a female 00 agent as the main villain. Not necessarily Bond’s equal in a fight, but with all the skills to make her a serious threat. Perhaps countering Bond’s impulsiveness with cold strategic brilliance.
Thing is, they've tried this a few times with things like 'Salt' & 'Atomic Blonde' etc... and it simply doesn't work.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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SpudLink said:
I’m not sure if I’ve said it on PH previously, but I would like to see a film where he faces a female 00 agent as the main villain. Not necessarily Bond’s equal in a fight, but with all the skills to make her a serious threat. Perhaps countering Bond’s impulsiveness with cold strategic brilliance.
A la Black Widow, who is basically the James Bond of the MCU.
Red Grant is my fave Bond baddie/Hench. He beat Bond. That character as a BW type would be great. Not sure if I want the big bad to be an ultimate hench though...

Bright Halo

2,950 posts

234 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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Red Grant was so excellently played by a Robert Shaw. Very cold and menacing and made the audience believe he could rip Bond apart.

The Bond fight sign with mr Hinks (Dave Bautista) was also a touch more realistic in that Bautista is enormous so they didn't try and make out that Bond could just beat him in a straight up fist fight.

I would like to see Michael J White or Martyn Ford as henchmen.

Bright Halo

2,950 posts

234 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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I was just thinking that QOS would have been so much better if the Dominic Green character had been played by Sean Harris.
Truly menacing.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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Had to look up Michael Jai White, he's OK I suppose, but Ford, nah definitely not! I'd rather have a great actor with tiny fight skills than the other way around. Which is what Red Grant was. Harold Sakata was the last legit tough guy great hench, and it just becomes a tank throwing around a toddler. The best fights in Bond for me are the contests. Red's being top.
From what I recall, they've got a big Hawaiian hench for this one.

SpudLink

5,669 posts

191 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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Halb said:
Had to look up Michael Jai White, he's OK I suppose, but Ford, nah definitely not! I'd rather have a great actor with tiny fight skills than the other way around. Which is what Red Grant was. Harold Sakata was the last legit tough guy great hench, and it just becomes a tank throwing around a toddler. The best fights in Bond for me are the contests. Red's being top.
From what I recall, they've got a big Hawaiian hench for this one.
I agree. The sense of menace doesn’t come from just having bigger muscles, or the audience knowing the guy portraying the henchmen would win in a real fight.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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Goldfinger now ITV 4 or in an hour on ITV4+1


Found out earlier the guy who designed the title sequence for this and the one before it - From Russia With Love - was the same guy who did the album cover idea for Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed

https://gizmodo.com/how-the-rolling-stones-iconic-...

http://robertbrownjohn.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Brownjohn

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 4th April 20:17

SCEtoAUX

4,119 posts

80 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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This will have been asked before, but how the bobbins can you have a female James Bond when "James" is a blokes name?

Presumable we'll end up with some garbage like Jane Bond who can only work for around 25 days each month.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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SCEtoAUX said:
This will have been asked before, but how the bobbins can you have a female James Bond when "James" is a blokes name?

Presumable we'll end up with some garbage like Jane Bond who can only work for around 25 days each month.
It will be 9 to 5 not MI5 (with a nod to the initial slogan promoting TV series Spooks

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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techiedave said:
Goldfinger now ITV 4 or in an hour on ITV4+1


Found out earlier the guy who designed the title sequence for this and the one before it - From Russia With Love - was the same guy who did the album cover idea for Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed

https://gizmodo.com/how-the-rolling-stones-iconic-...

http://robertbrownjohn.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Brownjohn

Edited by techiedave on Thursday 4th April 20:17
With the cake made by Delia Smith. yum

Jukebag

1,463 posts

138 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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A James Bond discussion where I don't have to create an account for a Bond forum and wait forever to be able to log in lol.

I love the old Bond films, especially Moore and Connery, even Dalton, Lazenby and certainly Brosnan as they were very good in many ways, mostly for me they provided humour to their roles. I can't say the same for blondie Craig as he's the worst Bond imo. James Bland he should be called. Yes I suppose he's a good actor, but this is James Bond we're talking about. I don't think it's just Craig that's wrong with the current Bonds, it's the films themselves, because they just don't feel like Bond films anymore. Too much emphasis on boring, long drawn out scenes of dialogue, too much reliance on CGI, having boring Judi Dench as M, villains that aren't memorable, too much reliance on swooping camera shots and other wizzy and overused cinematic techniques as if you're playing a video game. The women just don't have that "Bond Girl" factor, but I suppose political correctness is to blame for that.

tr7v8

7,185 posts

227 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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Jukebag said:
A James Bond discussion where I don't have to create an account for a Bond forum and wait forever to be able to log in lol.

I love the old Bond films, especially Moore and Connery, even Dalton, Lazenby and certainly Brosnan as they were very good in many ways, mostly for me they provided humour to their roles. I can't say the same for blondie Craig as he's the worst Bond imo. James Bland he should be called. Yes I suppose he's a good actor, but this is James Bond we're talking about. I don't think it's just Craig that's wrong with the current Bonds, it's the films themselves, because they just don't feel like Bond films anymore. Too much emphasis on boring, long drawn out scenes of dialogue, too much reliance on CGI, having boring Judi Dench as M, villains that aren't memorable, too much reliance on swooping camera shots and other wizzy and overused cinematic techniques as if you're playing a video game. The women just don't have that "Bond Girl" factor, but I suppose political correctness is to blame for that.
Pretty much my view not sure whether the issue is DC or the story lines or both.

williamp

19,213 posts

272 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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I think the problem is one of baddies you cant say russia are the enemy these days, nor rich americans so who does that leave?

A british colleague gone bad or
A mysterious,and unbelievale crime syndicate witb no obvious means of funds, no obvious reason for existance, and no obvious base

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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The Yanks come off as sts in QoS.

Russia is currently always flagged as the bogeyman in the news, so not sure why they couldn't in a film. Then there's ISIS and that sort. Then there's brexiters.... jester

Muzzer79

9,806 posts

186 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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Jukebag said:
boring Judi Dench as M
nono

Get out, the door's that way.

Judi Dench is one of the finest actors of her time and was the only saving grace for some of the later Brosnan-era Bond films.


captain_cynic

11,873 posts

94 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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williamp said:
I think the problem is one of baddies you cant say russia are the enemy these days, nor rich americans so who does that leave?

A british colleague gone bad or
A mysterious,and unbelievale crime syndicate witb no obvious means of funds, no obvious reason for existance, and no obvious base
Plenty of films still have Russia as the bad guy... They are easier to demonise than ever, you don't even need to give them a FSB affiliation, just call them a former KGB oligarch with the Armani suit, receding hairline and lanky build to match.

Bond is in the position of Russia being done to death and no other obvious nefarious bad guys being available.

Besides, the original baddies in the Bond-verse were Spectre, an evil organisation of nebulous funding with no well established ties to any nation.

The one nation movie producers don't want to ps off is China (the other obvious bad guy) because they are such a huge market, the same reason no-one makes the Americans out to be the bad guys. African and Latinos are too small time to be considered real Bond villains, Australians are too relaxed, so who do you have left but a European accent without a official national affiliation.

Going back to the likes of Dr No, et al. for comparison I think the problem is Bond has become too serious.

Edited by captain_cynic on Friday 5th April 14:33

Jukebag

1,463 posts

138 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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You're dead right there, it has become too serious. The OTT characters and overall larger than life feel of the Bond films has disappeared. Craig is too serious, Dench is too serious and the storylines are too serious.

Abbott

2,338 posts

202 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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What about the Welsh they Always seem to have an axe to grind. "Dai hard with a vengence"

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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Abbott said:
What about the Welsh they Always seem to have an axe to grind. "Dai hard with a vengence"
Live and Let Dai.shoot

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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Thunderbayball?