The James Bond Thread
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techiedave said:
Your sympathies may be stretched when you turn to Octopussy and see Bond made up as a clown. Ditto the scene where he gets shagged by Grace Jones in A View To A Kill - her dialogue in this scene reduces me to laughter
lol. I have to agree, some of the dialogue in these movies is quite clunky with some of it just left to hang there.I'm assuming the movies were faithful to the source material so the culprit is Fleming.
I've also been chuckling at how tetchy M is towards Bond borne, IMHO, out of jealousy.
The other impression I get is these movies were pretty much a jolly old boys club where those involved (main stars, producers etc) would meet-up every few years to knock another one out - as such, now that they had the formula down after the first few, quality control and overall character/plot development suffered.
From memory, I've definitely seen every Bond movie from Octopussy onwards at the cinema upon release - I even think it may go back further to the release of Moonraker but won't know until I have re-watched it as well as For Your Eyes Only.
One thing that I have been pleasantly surprised by when watching all of them so far is that I haven't been bored once during each film which I'd like to think is genuinely because of the film and not because, overall, it is new to me or because I am analysing them.
SpeedBash said:
techiedave said:
I'm assuming the movies were faithful to the source material so the culprit is Fleming.
I've also been chuckling at how tetchy M is towards Bond borne, IMHO, out of jealousy.
The other impression I get is these movies were pretty much a jolly old boys club where those involved (main stars, producers etc) would meet-up every few years to knock another one out - as such, now that they had the formula down after the first few, quality control and overall character/plot development suffered.
From memory, I've definitely seen every Bond movie from Octopussy onwards at the cinema upon release - I even think it may go back further to the release of Moonraker but won't know until I have re-watched it as well as For Your Eyes Only.
One thing that I have been pleasantly surprised by when watching all of them so far is that I haven't been bored once during each film which I'd like to think is genuinely because of the film and not because, overall, it is new to me or because I am analysing them.
No...…... lol the dialogue is probably 90%+ the result of the writers. IMHO the films bare so little faithful ness to the original books it's almost as if the 2 are hardly related. From memory they vary widely from the books. the faithful ones areI've also been chuckling at how tetchy M is towards Bond borne, IMHO, out of jealousy.
The other impression I get is these movies were pretty much a jolly old boys club where those involved (main stars, producers etc) would meet-up every few years to knock another one out - as such, now that they had the formula down after the first few, quality control and overall character/plot development suffered.
From memory, I've definitely seen every Bond movie from Octopussy onwards at the cinema upon release - I even think it may go back further to the release of Moonraker but won't know until I have re-watched it as well as For Your Eyes Only.
One thing that I have been pleasantly surprised by when watching all of them so far is that I haven't been bored once during each film which I'd like to think is genuinely because of the film and not because, overall, it is new to me or because I am analysing them.
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OHMSS to a good degree
The rest below have similarities but differ
From Russia With Love
Casino Royale 2006
Dr No
Goldfinger
The rest bare hardly any similarities with You Only Live Twice being the first to be in name only though they chose to "triumph" that aspect with The Spy Who Loved Me. That was done on the instruction of Ian Fleming himself I think.
But whilst the first 4 have some similarities to plot (though with differences) You Only Live Twice is totally different.
The boys club I get but there were quite some rivalries and difficulties in getting people back.and I read several books that highlight issues producers had with various people over the years.
techiedave said:
No...…... lol the dialogue is probably 90%+ the result of the writers. IMHO the films bare so little faithful ness to the original books it's almost as if the 2 are hardly related. From memory they vary widely from the books. the faithful ones are
:
OHMSS to a good degree
The rest below have similarities but differ
From Russia With Love
Casino Royale 2006
Dr No
Goldfinger
The rest bare hardly any similarities with You Only Live Twice being the first to be in name only though they chose to "triumph" that aspect with The Spy Who Loved Me. That was done on the instruction of Ian Fleming himself I think.
But whilst the first 4 have some similarities to plot (though with differences) You Only Live Twice is totally different.
The boys club I get but there were quite some rivalries and difficulties in getting people back.and I read several books that highlight issues producers had with various people over the years.
A very good read concerning all of the points raised about the JB movies is 'Some Kind of Hero' by Matthew Field and AJ Chowdery. It goes into great detail about all the films, the why, where, how, etc An exellent book for all JB fans.:
OHMSS to a good degree
The rest below have similarities but differ
From Russia With Love
Casino Royale 2006
Dr No
Goldfinger
The rest bare hardly any similarities with You Only Live Twice being the first to be in name only though they chose to "triumph" that aspect with The Spy Who Loved Me. That was done on the instruction of Ian Fleming himself I think.
But whilst the first 4 have some similarities to plot (though with differences) You Only Live Twice is totally different.
The boys club I get but there were quite some rivalries and difficulties in getting people back.and I read several books that highlight issues producers had with various people over the years.
techiedave said:
SpeedBash said:
techiedave said:
I'm assuming the movies were faithful to the source material so the culprit is Fleming.
I've also been chuckling at how tetchy M is towards Bond borne, IMHO, out of jealousy.
The other impression I get is these movies were pretty much a jolly old boys club where those involved (main stars, producers etc) would meet-up every few years to knock another one out - as such, now that they had the formula down after the first few, quality control and overall character/plot development suffered.
From memory, I've definitely seen every Bond movie from Octopussy onwards at the cinema upon release - I even think it may go back further to the release of Moonraker but won't know until I have re-watched it as well as For Your Eyes Only.
One thing that I have been pleasantly surprised by when watching all of them so far is that I haven't been bored once during each film which I'd like to think is genuinely because of the film and not because, overall, it is new to me or because I am analysing them.
No...…... lol the dialogue is probably 90%+ the result of the writers. IMHO the films bare so little faithful ness to the original books it's almost as if the 2 are hardly related. From memory they vary widely from the books. the faithful ones areI've also been chuckling at how tetchy M is towards Bond borne, IMHO, out of jealousy.
The other impression I get is these movies were pretty much a jolly old boys club where those involved (main stars, producers etc) would meet-up every few years to knock another one out - as such, now that they had the formula down after the first few, quality control and overall character/plot development suffered.
From memory, I've definitely seen every Bond movie from Octopussy onwards at the cinema upon release - I even think it may go back further to the release of Moonraker but won't know until I have re-watched it as well as For Your Eyes Only.
One thing that I have been pleasantly surprised by when watching all of them so far is that I haven't been bored once during each film which I'd like to think is genuinely because of the film and not because, overall, it is new to me or because I am analysing them.
:
OHMSS to a good degree
The rest below have similarities but differ
From Russia With Love
Casino Royale 2006
Dr No
Goldfinger
The rest bare hardly any similarities with You Only Live Twice being the first to be in name only though they chose to "triumph" that aspect with The Spy Who Loved Me. That was done on the instruction of Ian Fleming himself I think.
But whilst the first 4 have some similarities to plot (though with differences) You Only Live Twice is totally different.
The boys club I get but there were quite some rivalries and difficulties in getting people back.and I read several books that highlight issues producers had with various people over the years.
Octopussy and some of the others are just short stories that they have taken the name from. If you are a real geek you will notice in later films they have slipped in some references to the other books. In Spectre the office the safehouse is in is called Hillderbrand, from the Hilderbrand Rarity shorty story.
The Connery bonds are pretty close to the books in most parts. Casino Royale (DC) is very close to the book, France is swapped for Montenergro, SMERSH for Quantum, Chemin de Fer for Poker. The rest is very close, including a lot of the dialogue which is a direct lift. The last chapters of the book is mostly Bond worrying about whether his wang still works after being tortured and waiting to test it on Vesper :-)
Scabutz said:
A lot of the later films are just name only. Some of them were short stories.
The short story Risico was adapted pretty much as a whole into the bigger plot of the film For Your Eyes Only.FYEO was probably the last film to follow a Fleming plot-line closely until the (proper) remake of Casino Royale. It is still one I like to watch as the premise isn't total nonsense like most of the other Moore films.
Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 24th April 12:20
"A Quantum of Solace" was a short story about Bond and another man drinking whisky by a fireside and reminiscing. The film of the same name had no relation to the short story other than the name.
Also, in the film For Your Eyes Only where Bond and Havelock's Daughter are dragged through shark-infested waters actually appears as a scene in the book Live and Let Die or Moonraker (I forget which).
The films have always played fast & loose with the books.
Also, in the film For Your Eyes Only where Bond and Havelock's Daughter are dragged through shark-infested waters actually appears as a scene in the book Live and Let Die or Moonraker (I forget which).
The films have always played fast & loose with the books.
SpeedBash said:
thegreenhell said:
techiedave said:
Goldfinger now ITV 4 or in an hour on ITV4+1
Tania Mallet, the actress who played Tilly Masterson in the film, passed away just a few days ago. I don't think it was mentioned here already. RIP.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-4777...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-4785...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Nolan
Clockwork Cupcake said:
"A Quantum of Solace" was a short story about Bond and another man drinking whisky by a fireside and reminiscing. The film of the same name had no relation to the short story other than the name.
Also, in the film For Your Eyes Only where Bond and Havelock's Daughter are dragged through shark-infested waters actually appears as a scene in the book Live and Let Die or Moonraker (I forget which).
The films have always played fast & loose with the books.
Live and Let Die. Bond and Solitaire are dragged over razor sharp coral.Also, in the film For Your Eyes Only where Bond and Havelock's Daughter are dragged through shark-infested waters actually appears as a scene in the book Live and Let Die or Moonraker (I forget which).
The films have always played fast & loose with the books.
nonsequitur said:
A very good read concerning all of the points raised about the JB movies is 'Some Kind of Hero' by Matthew Field and AJ Chowdery. It goes into great detail about all the films, the why, where, how, etc An exellent book for all JB fans.
Looking into this it appears the paperback version has been updated to include Bond 25.Which version do you have? Wondering whether to go for the hardback or the updated paperback version.
SpeedBash said:
nonsequitur said:
A very good read concerning all of the points raised about the JB movies is 'Some Kind of Hero' by Matthew Field and AJ Chowdery. It goes into great detail about all the films, the why, where, how, etc An exellent book for all JB fans.
Looking into this it appears the paperback version has been updated to include Bond 25.Which version do you have? Wondering whether to go for the hardback or the updated paperback version.
You Only Live Twice on Now (ITV4) 9pm and on ITV4+1 in an hour
Ed Bishops spotted a UFO on the monitor (it won't be his last )
Sean Connery's just shagged Fu Manchu's daughter and been shot and pronounced dead by Foggy from Last Of The Summer wine
Crikey !
Ed Bishops spotted a UFO on the monitor (it won't be his last )
Sean Connery's just shagged Fu Manchu's daughter and been shot and pronounced dead by Foggy from Last Of The Summer wine
Crikey !
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 24th April 21:18
Halb said:
Watched Live and Let Die.
I was most interested in the opening scene of Bond's flat. The décor, the coffee maker. M was mesmerised by it and there were many shots of his kitchen and close-ups. I guess the director got a free one.
I wonder if it all looked space age back then.
That's one of my all time favourite Bond scenes.I was most interested in the opening scene of Bond's flat. The décor, the coffee maker. M was mesmerised by it and there were many shots of his kitchen and close-ups. I guess the director got a free one.
I wonder if it all looked space age back then.
I'm struggling to muster much enthusiasm, to be honest.
In years gone by, my dad and I would have rushed to the cinema to see the latest Bond film the moment it was released. Just like we did for every Bond film from 1977's The Spy Who Loved Me up until GoldenEye (after which we lived too far apart for it to be worth it).
Yet I haven't even got round to watching Spectre.
In years gone by, my dad and I would have rushed to the cinema to see the latest Bond film the moment it was released. Just like we did for every Bond film from 1977's The Spy Who Loved Me up until GoldenEye (after which we lived too far apart for it to be worth it).
Yet I haven't even got round to watching Spectre.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Yet I haven't even got round to watching Spectre.
You only need to watch the first couple of minutes of the opening, some very stylish tracking shots. After that is goes downhill.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbqv1kbsNUY
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