Logan - New Wolverine movie

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ajprice

27,314 posts

195 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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robemcdonald said:


Is that's true why does Laura heal?

Why doesn't the adamantium poison both of them instantly?

Why is Laura a child when X24 is all grown up?


In the source material x23 was put under physical duress (torture) to get her healing factor to start to work.

It's a great film, but the more you think about it the more plot holes there are.


Edited by robemcdonald on Tuesday 21st March 06:52
I might be wrong, but this is what i understand to answer those.
Healing is from Logan's DNA, the metal isn't poisoning her YET. Logan is older, he's had the metal skeleton for years. But....

...Depending which storyline you read, Laura doesn't have a metalised skeleton, just the metalised claws.

Laura and the other kids were a lab experiment using mutant DNA from the mutants who are mostly killed off at the time of the film.

I don't know the source material other than the films and a few web/wiki pages, but i thought healing was Logan's mutant power and it helped him survive the treatment to metalise his skeleton. If Laura has just the claws metalised, that's not such a full on treatment.

tankplanker

2,479 posts

278 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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robemcdonald said:


Is that's true why does Laura heal?

Why doesn't the adamantium poison both of them instantly?

Why is Laura a child when X24 is all grown up?


In the source material x23 was put under physical duress (torture) to get her healing factor to start to work.

It's a great film, but the more you think about it the more plot holes there are.


Edited by robemcdonald on Tuesday 21st March 06:52
X24 is closer to straight up clone/replica that was made "fully" grown from Wolverine using a more modern technique than Laura, hence why the scrapped the process with the mutant kids and tried to kill them off, X24 represents the future of the programme. Laura was grown from Wolverine's DNA inserted into a normal egg and carried to term by a surrogate mother, much like the process for Dolly the sheep.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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robemcdonald said:


Is that's true why does Laura heal?

Why doesn't the adamantium poison both of them instantly?

Why is Laura a child when X24 is all grown up?


In the source material x23 was put under physical duress (torture) to get her healing factor to start to work.

It's a great film, but the more you think about it the more plot holes there are.
She was born naturally from a mother, as all the kids, and the clone (is is far bigger) was created in a vat with accelerated growth? He's obviously not a fully functioning human with bits missing.

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

229 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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Do we really still need spoiler tags? The film has been out a couple of weeks now...

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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Pesty said:
no he can't regenerate unless he uses the green serum. He's a clone of Logan made in a lab but he's not quite got all his abilities.

Logan is being poisoned by the adamantium and has been since day one. on top of the chemicals that were put in the food to stop mutants hips powers cannot fight the adamantium poisoning like they used to.
I assumed Logan's failing regenerative powers were a result of what happened in The Wolverine (I don't blame anyone for forgetting that film)

Veeayt

3,139 posts

204 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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How will Laura grow up with metallic bones is the question.

Guvernator

13,103 posts

164 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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I think the plot is the worst part of the film, it barely hangs together and the more you pick at it, the more it unravels. As I said previously I think the writers just wanted to do a road movie with Wolverine and Xavier but didn't really think it through beyond the "hey this would be really cool" stage.

Luckily the acting mostly carries the film through which on a first watch is great but I've had a chance to watch it again and there are definitely bits that don't hold up to repeat viewing.


1. The whole all the old mutants are dead thing, never really works or makes sense
2. Charles going out like a chump, really the worlds most powerful psychic didn't realise that something was amiss with Logan\X24 when he comes into his bedroom?
3. The serum plot device which conveniently gives an ailing Logan just enough power\time to save the day before sacrificing himself valiantly.
4. How the events in Logan don't really fit in with any of the other storylines etc


So while I enjoyed it enough to give it a 8\10 on a first viewing I'd say this has been downgraded to a 6.5 on a repeat viewing due to the inconsistencies and the fact that the whole film is so intent on ending the X-men legacy on a dark note, that it ignores decent plotting to get there.

tankplanker

2,479 posts

278 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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1. I think they could have explained the genetically altered crops that suppressed new mutants and mutant purges a bit better in the film
2. Didn't Charles take his meds that day? That would suppress his abilities, and he was pretty beat down mentally by his dementia at that point as well
3. I'm pretty sure the stuff he is injected by the harness he is wearing in from x-men apocalypse film wolverine, and was used to make him stronger/easier to control. He obviously knows what the stuff is as soon as he see it: "that stuff will drive you mad"
4. All of the X-Men and Wolverine films have stty conflicting timelines, I treat them as standalone films otherwise they would drive me mad.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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tankplanker said:
4. All of the X-Men and Wolverine films have stty conflicting timelines, I treat them as standalone films otherwise they would drive me mad.
One has to, they are all stand alone films, otherwise, it's ridiculous, Fox have thrown mud at the wall 13 times, and struck gold a few times, for me, thrice.

Otherwise, the only real plot issue LOgan has (easily the best X-man film) is the fact all the mutants have gone, but Xavier is still around? THat old fossil? One can see Logan and his healing giving him in a horrible state thanks to the worldwide GM shyte.

Jonesy23

4,650 posts

135 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Depends on whether you know the material they based the story on. The film version is pretty light compared to the source comic.

In the comic Login is one of the last men standing because he killed the other X men / mutants in a rampage due to a delusion. In the film Charles outlasted the others because he was the one who'd killed them all.

As for Logan's fading powers I thought that was purely the Adamantium poisoning.

The problem with the films and consistency is they draw on a lot of sources plus extra bits they made up. The comics were never consistent anyway. Personal I think if the broad sweep is ok and the story is too you can afford to overlook holes; the films are all miles apart thematically anyway so the details not lining up is not the biggest thing.

I thought it was ok as a film and as combination of a few different sources I thought they built a pretty good whole.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Jonesy23 said:
Depends on whether you know the material they based the story on. The film version is pretty light compared to the source comic.

In the comic Login is one of the last men standing because he killed the other X men / mutants in a rampage due to a delusion. In the film Charles outlasted the others because he was the one who'd killed them all.

As for Logan's fading powers I thought that was purely the Adamantium poisoning.

The problem with the films and consistency is they draw on a lot of sources plus extra bits they made up. The comics were never consistent anyway. Personal I think if the broad sweep is ok and the story is too you can afford to overlook holes; the films are all miles apart thematically anyway so the details not lining up is not the biggest thing.

I thought it was ok as a film and as combination of a few different sources I thought they built a pretty good whole.
I used to read X-Men, and I've read Old Man Logan, no-one who read the comic knew it could even get close to a translation, but I'm glad they made a film about an old Logan as it's the best by far. I considered the adamantium itself being the poison, but the person above who pointed out that it's that plus the GMO makes sense.
I had forgotten or hadn't realised Xavier had killed all the othr mutants, tat makes sense, and really, there's not any plot holes left then I think.
And for me I am not bothered by every film contradicting each other, they are all stand alone films for me, and I'l only ever have tome for; Logan, Deadpool and Days of Future Past...basically another Wolverine film.

ambuletz

10,690 posts

180 months

Saturday 17th August 2019
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I know i'm reviving a 2 year old thread but I just watched Logan tonight.

fk you movie. (following is my thoughts on the movie. so if you haven't watched it, stop reading NOW).




I may not have read the comics (my brother does). i always liked xmen, and i always liked the xmen movies. in seeing trailers for this movie I got a big feeling of what i would expect with this movie. and yes.. the movie was a long ride of those expectations. it was rather sombre/sad, I wanted at least some kind of positive outcome at the end, but there was none. Gotta say I'm fed up of these 'passing of the torch' movies. the whole thing was basically a way of saying jackman and stewart are done with xmen. left one feeling empty. the losses were felt greater than the achomplishments. the big cluster-fk halfway into the movie..i didn't want to believe, at first i thought what happened was a dream.

lemmingjames

7,433 posts

203 months

Saturday 17th August 2019
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Been sniffing your parents drinks cupboard again?

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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laugh



come on Ambuletz, Jackman wants to pass the torch, he's admitted that getting in WOlverine shape for those few scenes takes a toll. Now the most part, he's excellent for the part (I state that after thinking his casting was a joke 20 years ago, being way too tall). But he's mostly been in utter turd films (LOgan being one of the best and my fave, though it has issues). He's just missed his chance to be WOlverine in the best series, bit sad.

I still think the combining of Mr Johnny Cash singing Hurt with the visuals made one of the best trailers.
https://youtu.be/Div0iP65aZo

sparks_190e

12,738 posts

212 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Great film.

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Really good film. It has its issues but they can be ignored. The kid saying all the names for no reason like it would mean anything to him or she’d give a st.been done before etc.
Meeting the family felt forced but ok


One thing I’ll always remember Patric Stewart’s performance.

I was looking after my father when we went to see this. I’d been with him and we’d gone to the cinema for a break plus I wanted to see it obviously.

The scene in the back of the car where wolverine asks if he’d taken his tablets had just been played out literally earlier that night. Patrick also being a Yorkshireman and made up the way he was not looking too dissimilar either was pretty impactful.


ajprice

27,314 posts

195 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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It is a very good film, one of my top 'comic book movies' because it isn't really like any other comic book movie. I've got the Blu-ray and with this thread coming up again, I'll have to watch the black and white version on there soon. I've subscribed to a few film based Youtube channels recently, and they've all got their (positive) take on Logan - CineWins, FilmJoy - Movies with Mikey and Wisecrack (spoilers in all of them if you haven't seen the film, obvs hehe ).

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 19th August 2019
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Not heard of any of them, you should share them in the film youtube thread!