OJ - Made in America

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Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
MYOB said:
Welshbeef said:
Have you heard the 999 call that day by Nicole and then OJ arrives the last time she is heard alive he was behaving like a cave man
I didn't think there was an emergency call on the night of the murders? There were some from before during the domestic abuse, principally the one from when Nicole was hiding in the bush.
https://youtu.be/WHf93uxgKBI
I've heard other versions of this which have much less editing she's utterly petrified.

I think the is on the same day hey are murdered but cannot find the profif however it was used in the civil case.

MYOB

4,784 posts

138 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
I think the is on the same day hey are murdered but cannot find the profif however it was used in the civil case.
I can assure you this isn't from the day she was murdered. Awful history of spousal abuse, but I don't think he was capable of carrying out pyschotic murders. The photos from the crime scenes were unbelievable, My opinion is his son had the mental health issues and displayed pyschotic behaviours.

trickywoo

11,754 posts

230 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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Ascayman said:
Ridiculous how he got away with it, shows just how racist America is both from whites and blacks. One of the jurors basically admitted that she new he was guilty but voted otherwise because of Rodney King wobble
Agree. No body came out looking good from that.

Two wrongs don't make a right has never been more appropriate.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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The murder pics which are shocking the poor poor girl it was horrific - and his appear even more savage if that possible.

It was a crazed brutal attack.

Given the history of continuous extreame beatings he gave and his jealousy and that 999 call with him going batst crazy in the background. It's inconceivable it wasn't him.

His sporting record even today with the longer seasons it at the top "The Juice". However if guilty frankly those should be wiped from history remove him from the hall of fame.

Marty Funkhouser

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5,426 posts

181 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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MYOB said:
I can assure you this isn't from the day she was murdered. Awful history of spousal abuse, but I don't think he was capable of carrying out pyschotic murders. The photos from the crime scenes were unbelievable, My opinion is his son had the mental health issues and displayed pyschotic behaviours.
How on earth can you watch that documentary and not think he had it in him to do it???

- No alibi
- The gloves
- His DNA at the scene
- History of abuse
- On record threatening to kill her
- The remarks he's made since the killings ("If she hadn't answered the door holding a knife she'd be alive now...")
- His bizarre behaviour immediately after the crime and prior to his arrest

You really can't be serious?

MYOB

4,784 posts

138 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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I believe he was there, hence his DNA. But I wonder whether he found his son there after the incident. The man killed fought for a number of minutes, was a black belt in karate and oj only had a small cut on his finger.

His son fits the profile of someone psychotic enough to commit the horrific murders. His son had mental health issues, stopped taking his medication and was known to carry knives. Think her used a knife on an ex girlfriend.

Why didn't oj first wife (mother of said son ) ever make any comments about domestic abuse re oj in their marriage? Maybe she kept quiet because she knew her son was involved.

Yes, oj was guilty of spousal abuse. But I cannot believe he would commit the murders. Did you see the crime scene photos? I seriously find it hard to believe he could go that far. His son on the other hand portrayed the tendencies but his records were sealed.

MYOB

4,784 posts

138 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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MYOB said:
I believe he was there, hence his DNA. But I wonder whether he found his son there after the incident. The man killed fought for a number of minutes, was a black belt in karate and oj only had a small cut on his finger.

His son fits the profile of someone psychotic enough to commit the horrific murders. His son had mental health issues, stopped taking his medication and was known to carry knives. Think her used a knife on an ex girlfriend.

Why didn't oj first wife (mother of said son ) ever make any comments about domestic abuse re oj in their marriage? Maybe she kept quiet because she knew her son was involved.

Yes, oj was guilty of spousal abuse. But I cannot believe he would commit the murders. Did you see the crime scene photos? I seriously find it hard to believe he could go that far. His son on the other hand portrayed the tendencies but his records were sealed.
Oh, and why did oj hire a lawyer for his son immediately after the murders?

Marty Funkhouser

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5,426 posts

181 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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MYOB said:
I believe he was there, hence his DNA. But I wonder whether he found his son there after the incident. The man killed fought for a number of minutes, was a black belt in karate and oj only had a small cut on his finger.

His son fits the profile of someone psychotic enough to commit the horrific murders. His son had mental health issues, stopped taking his medication and was known to carry knives. Think her used a knife on an ex girlfriend.

Why didn't oj first wife (mother of said son ) ever make any comments about domestic abuse re oj in their marriage? Maybe she kept quiet because she knew her son was involved.

Yes, oj was guilty of spousal abuse. But I cannot believe he would commit the murders. Did you see the crime scene photos? I seriously find it hard to believe he could go that far. His son on the other hand portrayed the tendencies but his records were sealed.
Read up about wife murderers, not many have histories of mental problems. OJ fits the profile of the wife murderer to a tee - the escalation of violence, the profound insecurities. There are too many circumstantial and forensic coincidences for it to be anyone else but OJ. Besides, the DNA testing would have shown it wasn't OJ but someone related to him had it been his son. He didn't get convicted due to incompetence, luck and racism. IMO given the long and hideous history of white on black murders and horrible crimes I can understand the desire of the black members of the jury to want to even things up a little. Saying things like "I just can't believe OJ would do it" are ludicrous.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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Do you remember the Ruby Wax and OJ interview!


One thing that is surprising is that OJs own injuries were not worse. Such a violent attack on two adults primal fear and adrenaline would be pumping hard so they should have been able to harm him in some way. Then again maybe it was so quick.

DanielSan

18,774 posts

167 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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Elroy Blue said:
I watched this after watching the drama series on Netflix. The dirty tricks played by the defence was shocking, the fact that they are still proud of the misrepresentations they told is even more so.

Edited by Elroy Blue on Friday 3rd March 15:18
Just finished watching this last night, the defence cases were shocking but let's face it they couldn't argue away many of the facts... Cochran does seem to be both a complete arse hole and at the same time an absolute genius. The jury on the other hand were a bunch of imbeciles. The not guilty vote just seemed to be 50/50 based on race and not wanting to be there any longer.

PurpleAki

1,601 posts

87 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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The black civil rights activist was the whitest black man I've ever seen.

Some absolutely shameful actions on the parts of the defence and jury.

Once you've got jurors giving black panther salutes and freely admitting it was revenge for Rodney King, can it not be declared a mistrial?

Glad Simpson is where he belongs though.

MYOB

4,784 posts

138 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
One thing that is surprising is that OJs own injuries were not worse. Such a violent attack on two adults primal fear and adrenaline would be pumping hard so they should have been able to harm him in some way. Then again maybe it was so quick.
It didn't feature in the TV show but the male victim, a black belt in karate, apparently fought the attacker for approx 15 minutes. And yes, there were a bit a blood in the Bronco in the footwell and a speck above the door handle. This suggests that OJ was there but given the amount of blood at the scene, surely the attacker would have been covered in blood and thus, why did the interior not have more blood say on the seat, arm rests etc? Blood was lacking in his house too...there were little blood outside.

Also, OJ has extremely severe arthritis and the medical experts say that OJ would not have been able to fight in the way the evidence suggests. His body could not have handled it.

Again, yes he was obviously guilty of spousal abuse. Cowardly attacks on his wife but apart from that, there is no record elsewhere of his propensity to violence. Even in Vegas at the robbery, there was no sign no violence from OJ.

Furnham really messed up the case by taking the 5th, especially when asked if he planted evidence!


Marty Funkhouser

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5,426 posts

181 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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MYOB said:
It didn't feature in the TV show but the male victim, a black belt in karate, apparently fought the attacker for approx 15 minutes. And yes, there were a bit a blood in the Bronco in the footwell and a speck above the door handle. This suggests that OJ was there but given the amount of blood at the scene, surely the attacker would have been covered in blood and thus, why did the interior not have more blood say on the seat, arm rests etc? Blood was lacking in his house too...there were little blood outside.

Also, OJ has extremely severe arthritis and the medical experts say that OJ would not have been able to fight in the way the evidence suggests. His body could not have handled it.

Again, yes he was obviously guilty of spousal abuse. Cowardly attacks on his wife but apart from that, there is no record elsewhere of his propensity to violence. Even in Vegas at the robbery, there was no sign no violence from OJ.

Furnham really messed up the case by taking the 5th, especially when asked if he planted evidence!
Where's the evidence of this 15 minute struggle? First time I've ever heard this.

MYOB

4,784 posts

138 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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Goldman's body was covered in bruises, cuts, including his feet that suggested he put up a robust fight against the murderer. Given he was 20 years younger than oj, strong and a black belt in karate, where were oj's injuries? Oh yes, he had a little cut on one finger.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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MYOB said:
Goldman's body was covered in bruises, cuts, including his feet that suggested he put up a robust fight against the murderer. Given he was 20 years younger than oj, strong and a black belt in karate, where were oj's injuries? Oh yes, he had a little cut on one finger.
That's interesting.

Any sign about his son.

MYOB

4,784 posts

138 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
That's interesting.

Any sign about his son.
Not sure he was examined.

There's lots of info out there. Difficult to separate facts from fiction so make up your own mind.

Here's one to get the ball rolling:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/theunredacted.com/o...

TheInternet

4,712 posts

163 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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DanielSan said:
Cochran does seem to be both a complete arse hole and at the same time an absolute genius.
A lawyer.

DanielSan

18,774 posts

167 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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TheInternet said:
A lawyer.
hehe fair point.

DanielSan

18,774 posts

167 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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MYOB said:
It didn't feature in the TV show but the male victim, a black belt in karate, apparently fought the attacker for approx 15 minutes. And yes, there were a bit a blood in the Bronco in the footwell and a speck above the door handle. This suggests that OJ was there but given the amount of blood at the scene, surely the attacker would have been covered in blood and thus, why did the interior not have more blood say on the seat, arm rests etc? Blood was lacking in his house too...there were little blood outside.

Also, OJ has extremely severe arthritis and the medical experts say that OJ would not have been able to fight in the way the evidence suggests. His body could not have handled it.

Again, yes he was obviously guilty of spousal abuse. Cowardly attacks on his wife but apart from that, there is no record elsewhere of his propensity to violence. Even in Vegas at the robbery, there was no sign no violence from OJ.

Furnham really messed up the case by taking the 5th, especially when asked if he planted evidence!
The exercise video filmed a few weeks before pretty much shags the not being physically capable argument though. That and being capable of going tooled up into a Vegas hotel room a few years later.

PurpleAki

1,601 posts

87 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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And running round fking anything that moves doesn't strengthen that argument either.