OJ - Made in America
Discussion
IMO there seems to be two main issues that killed the whole trial on top of all the misrepresentation and shambolic prosecution mistakes. 1. The Rodney King protest votes from a number of the jury being the main one. 2. The lack of understanding when it came to DNA evidence at the time, it had only been around 9 years and a lot of people seemed to still be sceptical it could be that accurate or just plain didn't want to believe it.
DanielSan said:
The exercise video filmed a few weeks before pretty much shags the not being physically capable argument though.
Yeah, but brute strength wasn't required in the exercise video.DanielSan said:
That and being capable of going tooled up into a Vegas hotel room a few years later.
Did OJ have a weapon? Was he violent? The whole Vegas thing is a cluster f**k and with the other parties being offered deals to testify against OJ, we cannot be certain what actually occurred. The Vegas thing sound like a stitch up just to imprison OJ.DanielSan said:
IMO there seems to be two main issues that killed the whole trial on top of all the misrepresentation and shambolic prosecution mistakes. 1. The Rodney King protest votes from a number of the jury being the main one. 2. The lack of understanding when it came to DNA evidence at the time, it had only been around 9 years and a lot of people seemed to still be sceptical it could be that accurate or just plain didn't want to believe it.
Brute strength to cut through her neck front to back cutting the spinal cord in one swipe. No matter how sharp a knife is that takes huge strength. MYOB said:
Did OJ have a weapon? Was he violent? The whole Vegas thing is a cluster f**k and with the other parties being offered deals to testify against OJ, we cannot be certain what actually occurred. The Vegas thing sound like a stitch up just to imprison OJ.
Given the numerous injuries to his ex wife over the years it's not hard to say yes he was clearly violent. If it was one or two charges just to get him sent down then a stitch up is likely but there's around 12 he was found guilty for (had to do some googling to check that), that's s whole lot of work to stitch someone up... MYOB said:
Brute strength to fight a young strong man who's a black belt in karate.
Had they not returned from a restaurant so maybe had a few too many wines etc. Did thy get a taxi back or sober enough to drive?What I mean is caught by surprise and struck hard unexpectedly whilst not totally of sober mind. Maybe that gave the attacker the edge?
MYOB said:
Did OJ have a weapon? Was he violent? The whole Vegas thing is a cluster f**k and with the other parties being offered deals to testify against OJ, we cannot be certain what actually occurred. The Vegas thing sound like a stitch up just to imprison OJ.
He was in a room, with a gun threatening people. Its hardly a stitch up.MYOB said:
Brute strength to fight a young strong man who's a black belt in karate.
People react very differently when they're actually faced with a lunatic with a knife who they may have just seen murdering Nicole. Don't forget he the lad was there returning some glasses that had been left at the restaurant. He walks up the path and is confronted by that scene or he's there prior to OJ's arrival and witnesses the murder. People react very very differently to real stress as opposed to the black belt classes he took. Also maybe he was stabbed before he had a chance to react - making his attempts to fight off OJ compromised.My point is that it doesn't matter how young, strong or well trained you are - reacting to a real situation is very different.
Marty Funkhouser said:
People react very differently when they're actually faced with a lunatic with a knife who they may have just seen murdering Nicole. Don't forget he the lad was there returning some glasses that had been left at the restaurant. He walks up the path and is confronted by that scene or he's there prior to OJ's arrival and witnesses the murder. People react very very differently to real stress as opposed to the black belt classes he took. Also maybe he was stabbed before he had a chance to react - making his attempts to fight off OJ compromised.
My point is that it doesn't matter how young, strong or well trained you are - reacting to a real situation is very different.
Is it actual fact about OJ only having a small nick to a finger - apart from that trauma free?My point is that it doesn't matter how young, strong or well trained you are - reacting to a real situation is very different.
Marty Funkhouser said:
People react very differently when they're actually faced with a lunatic with a knife who they may have just seen murdering Nicole. Don't forget he the lad was there returning some glasses that had been left at the restaurant. He walks up the path and is confronted by that scene or he's there prior to OJ's arrival and witnesses the murder. People react very very differently to real stress as opposed to the black belt classes he took. Also maybe he was stabbed before he had a chance to react - making his attempts to fight off OJ compromised.
My point is that it doesn't matter how young, strong or well trained you are - reacting to a real situation is very different.
It wasn't shown on the TV programme but look at the link I provided earlier. Apparently there are signs on Goldman's body that he put up a robust struggle. My point is that it doesn't matter how young, strong or well trained you are - reacting to a real situation is very different.
Something else - the cut on OJ's finger. Apparently there was not a corresponding cut on the glove. Again, this wasn't mentioned on the TV show.
BrotherMouzone said:
Only watched 40 mins of ep1 so far. Amazing documentary.
Available on IPlayer til Wednesday so heads up!
Thanks for that heads up, I've now dedicated my Sunday to watching it, a fascinating piece of tv and I surprised myself with how much I remembered from the original trial.Available on IPlayer til Wednesday so heads up!
dsmith1990 said:
Finished watching this on Friday and thought it was brilliant. The crime scene photos of Nicole & Ron were horrific...won't be forgetting those any time soon!!
Indeed... quite disturbing actually and definitely something that BBC2 didn't show back in the 90s on their coverage.Having watched all 7hrs, whilst there's no doubt that OJ wasn't a particularly likeable fellow at times and grew to believe his own hype, I still think the police at the very least tampered with the evidence and that alone would have secured his freedom.
Off-Topic a little but how the hell is Fuhrman not behind bars - a nastier piece of work I have seldom seen.
I'm only on ep2, about 1 hr 30 in....... where the defence lawyer Carl Douglas was explaining how the defence team made the OJ house looked 'blacker' for the judge's and jurors' visit, by removing all the pictures of OJ with white people and replacing them with blacks.
What a fascinating 'scene'. Carl reminds me of Clay Davies from the Wire. I am almost watching this documentary as soap opera.
What a fascinating 'scene'. Carl reminds me of Clay Davies from the Wire. I am almost watching this documentary as soap opera.
BrotherMouzone said:
I'm only on ep2, about 1 hr 30 in....... where the defence lawyer Carl Douglas was explaining how the defence team made the OJ house looked 'blacker' for the judge's and jurors' visit, by removing all the pictures of OJ with white people and replacing them with blacks.
What a fascinating 'scene'. Carl reminds me of Clay Davies from the Wire. I am almost watching this documentary as soap opera.
To be fair the defence lawyers really did an amazing job given what was essentially a cut and shut case. What a fascinating 'scene'. Carl reminds me of Clay Davies from the Wire. I am almost watching this documentary as soap opera.
They played the game and won against all logical odds.
Ignoring if you think he did it or not - IF you had the money you'd assemble the dream team too to fight your corner.
Welshbeef said:
IF you had the money you'd assemble the dream team too to fight your corner.
Indeed. It was interesting how much thought went into just presentation and people (strategy). Although the decision to focus on those aspects must have been easier knowing the evidence wasn't on your side to start with.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff