Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)
Discussion
IforB said:
Guvernator said:
IforB said:
OK, but the Poe Dameron character is a massive pain in the proverbial, so him getting slapped down by anyone seems perfectly alright by me! I didn't see that as men being beaten down, just one man being a muppet and getting a slap from his superiors, who just happened to be women.
As you say, we all see it differently, but I still didn't at anytime think it was an over the top Jenni Murrayesque man hating bashathon.
Yes but why was he a pain? He certainly wasn't in the first movie, in fact I thought he was a pretty likeable character in TFA then for some reason in TLJ they decide to turn him into some whiny hot head who has to be taught that being a macho hero type is wrong by the wise women. As you say, we all see it differently, but I still didn't at anytime think it was an over the top Jenni Murrayesque man hating bashathon.
The whole character ark for Poe is completely weird and then it's almost echoed again with the Finn and Rose story. So in a film saga about heroes,villains and making sacrifices, we are now taught that being a hero is nothing but testosterone fuelled macho BS and we should all just hold hands and love will save the day. Really it sounds like something made up by a lentil eating man hater.
“Heyyyy Buddy...”
Oh do *#€$ off.
For those that might be interested, RLM have done a chat video about the new Star Trek series and Orville, but they bring up Star Wars Last Jedi a lot, as an example of how current writers like to rubbish and destroy the product/franchise they are using to make cash, they chat about reasons for this. I'm not a fan of either show (I like Kirk and the films and that's it) so I didn't realise that the new Star Trek programme just rips up everything that went before.
Might be interesting for those who like these sci-fi shows.
Might be interesting for those who like these sci-fi shows.
Star Trek Discovery mid-season - re:View
https://youtu.be/DpHbLewg79c"China’s Die-Hard Star Wars Fans Respond to ‘Last Jedi’ Flop"
http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1001531/chinas-die-h...
"The most upvoted review complains that “the whole film really insults the IQ of its audience,” and demands to know how the universe could possibly be ruled by such an incompetent Galactic Empire."
Quite!
http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1001531/chinas-die-h...
"The most upvoted review complains that “the whole film really insults the IQ of its audience,” and demands to know how the universe could possibly be ruled by such an incompetent Galactic Empire."
Quite!
s'funny, a chines star wars thing popped up in my feed today too.
http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/01/12/star-wars...
a large reduction in theatres in reaction to an underwhelming 1st week.
I don't get the attractive thing, I think Finn is a handsome bloke, and Rey is lovely too, I think that's bizarre line of argument and is away from the real reason, that it's not very good.
http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/01/12/star-wars...
a large reduction in theatres in reaction to an underwhelming 1st week.
I don't get the attractive thing, I think Finn is a handsome bloke, and Rey is lovely too, I think that's bizarre line of argument and is away from the real reason, that it's not very good.
Looks like China are flipping the bird to left wing, inclusive, PC stuff.
"Other factors, according to Chen, include Chinese audiences’ preference for physically attractive protagonists and stories rooted in reality"
The 'rooted in reality' part is actually interesting. In the article they talk about the setting (i.e. New York vs a space planet), but there is another aspect to this.
The PC/feminist agenda is pushing women into roles in movies that in real life, they are under represented (often through choice).
If we draw parallels with real life - the military (whether it be a countries army or rebel fighters) tends to be massively dominated by men. Women do of course serve in modern armed services, but they are still outnumbered by men by quite a margin, especially in front line combat roles. Its the same with many occupations (miners, heavy industry, rescue services, refuse collection, building/trades etc).
Whilst suspending a sense of reality is of course required when watching a movie like Starwars - I wonder whether massively over-representing women in roles with which people can draw real life parallels (and which those parallels don't add up with reality) simply adds to the sense that something is off and there is an agenda at play.
I was looking at the main cast of Aliens the other day. In terms of racial diversity, it almost exactly mirrored the racial demographics of the USA at the time (for example - black people made up around 13% of the group, which is very close to the actual 12% figure at the time. Hispanic characters made up ~7% of the group, close to the actual 9%). Essentially if you selected people at random from the US population - you'd end up with a similar racial cross section. Perhaps that's why the cast felt balanced and unforced by agenda.
"Other factors, according to Chen, include Chinese audiences’ preference for physically attractive protagonists and stories rooted in reality"
The 'rooted in reality' part is actually interesting. In the article they talk about the setting (i.e. New York vs a space planet), but there is another aspect to this.
The PC/feminist agenda is pushing women into roles in movies that in real life, they are under represented (often through choice).
If we draw parallels with real life - the military (whether it be a countries army or rebel fighters) tends to be massively dominated by men. Women do of course serve in modern armed services, but they are still outnumbered by men by quite a margin, especially in front line combat roles. Its the same with many occupations (miners, heavy industry, rescue services, refuse collection, building/trades etc).
Whilst suspending a sense of reality is of course required when watching a movie like Starwars - I wonder whether massively over-representing women in roles with which people can draw real life parallels (and which those parallels don't add up with reality) simply adds to the sense that something is off and there is an agenda at play.
I was looking at the main cast of Aliens the other day. In terms of racial diversity, it almost exactly mirrored the racial demographics of the USA at the time (for example - black people made up around 13% of the group, which is very close to the actual 12% figure at the time. Hispanic characters made up ~7% of the group, close to the actual 9%). Essentially if you selected people at random from the US population - you'd end up with a similar racial cross section. Perhaps that's why the cast felt balanced and unforced by agenda.
Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 13th January 11:30
chris watton said:
"China’s Die-Hard Star Wars Fans Respond to ‘Last Jedi’ Flop"
http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1001531/chinas-die-h...
"The most upvoted review complains that “the whole film really insults the IQ of its audience,” and demands to know how the universe could possibly be ruled by such an incompetent Galactic Empire."
Quite!
Explains why its done well in the UK and USA!http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1001531/chinas-die-h...
"The most upvoted review complains that “the whole film really insults the IQ of its audience,” and demands to know how the universe could possibly be ruled by such an incompetent Galactic Empire."
Quite!
frisbee said:
chris watton said:
"China’s Die-Hard Star Wars Fans Respond to ‘Last Jedi’ Flop"
http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1001531/chinas-die-h...
"The most upvoted review complains that “the whole film really insults the IQ of its audience,” and demands to know how the universe could possibly be ruled by such an incompetent Galactic Empire."
Quite!
Explains why its done well in the UK and USA!http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1001531/chinas-die-h...
"The most upvoted review complains that “the whole film really insults the IQ of its audience,” and demands to know how the universe could possibly be ruled by such an incompetent Galactic Empire."
Quite!
I will never understand the logic of those who say they enjoyed it as a 'Brain out fun experience'. If that is the case, then other turds like ID2 and the new Mummy film should be enjoyed (and marked up) equally, surely?
chris watton said:
I will never understand the logic of those who say they enjoyed it as a 'Brain out fun experience'. If that is the case, then other turds like ID2 and the new Mummy film should be enjoyed (and marked up) equally, surely?
The problem with Starwars is that it has too much backstory and too wide an expanded universe to ever be capable of pulling off a ‘brain out’ popcorn movie.
Such movies generally only work as one offs. Starwars fans are far too invested both emotionally and financially in the franchise to just forget everything that has gone before.
Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 13th January 14:46
Just saw this. I have a few thoughts.
It was 'ok'. Not great, but not s
t. I've been a star wars fan for as long as I can remember and I really do think these films are losing their way again. This one felt less star warsy than TFA and even Rebel One.
I didn't realise that most of the film was going to be like Battlestar Galactica.
Do they not have autopilot in the Star Wars universe? Could have left the big cruiser thing ages ago and just fired it into the General Hoax's lot. Saying that, why not use the other big ships they lost like the medical freighter as light speed slugs too?
Luke is a massive paedo. No wonder Kylo ren has become so angry. An old dude taking you and a load of other boys away to lodges out in the middle of nowhere, then watching you sleep with a weapon out? Weird.
General Hoax. Come on! He gets worse in each film.
Why did they kill of Admiral Snackbar? Dude was a legend.
Porgs? They did fk all. All they did was yell at things. Didn't even have a party in some large trees or help scupper things. Chewie should have eaten all of them.
The old hologram trick? Really?
Eddie Hitler was a wasted opportunity. Could have slapped General Hoax around a bit.
Where did the bombers at the beginning appear from? I could ride my bike faster than they move. All the big ship had to do was move sideways a bit. He'll, it could have bashed them out of the way. Its like strapping dynamite to a load of cows and trying to get them to blow up an aircraft carrier. Stupid.
Why did Kylo Ren have that tacky carbon fibre effect tape on his face?
Snoak? Snookered more like. He could see and do everything yet didn't realise what Kylo was doing. His personal guards were a bit like dad's army.
Phasma. Good old captain Brasso. About as much use as Darth Maul. Laser proof suit yet couldn't prevent being hit around the head by a piece of electric fence. Wasted character again. To top it all off, died via a Looney Tunes fall from the last bit of ground to collapse.
It was ok. Could have been sooooooooo much better.
It was 'ok'. Not great, but not s
t. I've been a star wars fan for as long as I can remember and I really do think these films are losing their way again. This one felt less star warsy than TFA and even Rebel One.I didn't realise that most of the film was going to be like Battlestar Galactica.
Do they not have autopilot in the Star Wars universe? Could have left the big cruiser thing ages ago and just fired it into the General Hoax's lot. Saying that, why not use the other big ships they lost like the medical freighter as light speed slugs too?
Luke is a massive paedo. No wonder Kylo ren has become so angry. An old dude taking you and a load of other boys away to lodges out in the middle of nowhere, then watching you sleep with a weapon out? Weird.
General Hoax. Come on! He gets worse in each film.
Why did they kill of Admiral Snackbar? Dude was a legend.
Porgs? They did f
k all. All they did was yell at things. Didn't even have a party in some large trees or help scupper things. Chewie should have eaten all of them.The old hologram trick? Really?
Eddie Hitler was a wasted opportunity. Could have slapped General Hoax around a bit.
Where did the bombers at the beginning appear from? I could ride my bike faster than they move. All the big ship had to do was move sideways a bit. He'll, it could have bashed them out of the way. Its like strapping dynamite to a load of cows and trying to get them to blow up an aircraft carrier. Stupid.
Why did Kylo Ren have that tacky carbon fibre effect tape on his face?
Snoak? Snookered more like. He could see and do everything yet didn't realise what Kylo was doing. His personal guards were a bit like dad's army.
Phasma. Good old captain Brasso. About as much use as Darth Maul. Laser proof suit yet couldn't prevent being hit around the head by a piece of electric fence. Wasted character again. To top it all off, died via a Looney Tunes fall from the last bit of ground to collapse.
It was ok. Could have been sooooooooo much better.
funkyrobot said:
Phasma. Good old captain Brasso. About as much use as Darth Maul. Laser proof suit yet couldn't prevent being hit around the head by a piece of electric fence. Wasted character again. To top it all off, died via a Looney Tunes fall from the last bit of ground to collapse.
Easily my new favourite thing I've seen said about Phasma. What a missed opportunity.Pebbles167 said:
Easily my new favourite thing I've seen said about Phasma. What a missed opportunity.Out of all the characters in the new SW movies - she was the one I felt had most potential.
Such a waste. A brilliant opportunity to have a female bad ass baddie pissed up the wall.
Then again - female baddies arent really ‘PC’ these days. Even Maleficent turned out to be good in the end. Sugar and spice and all things nice.......
Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 13th January 23:35
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