Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[funkyrobot]

I've slept on it now and have reflected on it further.

What the hell are they doing to the franchise?

The film isn't at all great, it takes everything setup in TFA and ruins it, the feminism and pc angle is stupid (you shouldn't need to force gender into certain roles) and its put me off watching any other new SW film.

Disney are way too big now and I'm not spending another penny on the crap they produce.

This is the thing with these equality groups. Do they not realise that they are actually the problem? They have actually made the 'powerful' women in this film seem really dumb.

Don't get me started on the Rose love affair. Its like a 12 year old with a crush giving their dad's mate a kiss. That was a really weird moment when she kissed Fin.

Jeez. What a sack of st.

I'm not just saying this because I'm a fan. I genuinely think they have completely lost the plot with this. Even if it was not a star wars film, i'd be thinking WTF?

I thought using cliches was a stupid idea? The politics thing was so obvious and so badly done.

What a sexist, inconsistent and political mess.

Final thought. When Luke milked the creature, it made me think that that is how Disney are treating the franchise now. He got the milk, drank it and didn't look pleased. But I guess he needed it. You could say he is representing the star wars fans and the big fat alien thing is Disney.

[ExVantagemech..]

Oh and not one " Ive got a bad feeling about this" quote..

[chris watton]

ExVantagemech.. said:

Oh and not one " Ive got a bad feeling about this" quote..

I guess they didn't feel it was needed, as most of the audience were thinking that line while watching this crap.

As the Chinese say, it was an insult to our IQ.

[Quickmoose]

chris watton said:

ExVantagemech.. said:

Oh and not one " Ive got a bad feeling about this" quote..

I guess they didn't feel it was needed, as most of the audience were thinking that line while watching this crap.

As the Chinese say, it was an insult to our IQ.

BB8 said it, when sat in the back of the X wing thing....alledgedly..

[ExVantagemech..]

Quickmoose said:

chris watton said:

ExVantagemech.. said:

Oh and not one " Ive got a bad feeling about this" quote..

I guess they didn't feel it was needed, as most of the audience were thinking that line while watching this crap.

As the Chinese say, it was an insult to our IQ.

BB8 said it, when sat in the back of the X wing thing....alledgedly..

My money is on Mark Hamill after the first read of the script....

[g3org3y]

ExVantagemech.. said:

Quickmoose said:

chris watton said:

ExVantagemech.. said:

Oh and not one " Ive got a bad feeling about this" quote..

I guess they didn't feel it was needed, as most of the audience were thinking that line while watching this crap.

As the Chinese say, it was an insult to our IQ.

BB8 said it, when sat in the back of the X wing thing....alledgedly..

My money is on Mark Hamill after the first read of the script....

[RemyMartin81D]

funkyrobot said:

I've slept on it now and have reflected on it further.

What the hell are they doing to the franchise?

The film isn't at all great, it takes everything setup in TFA and ruins it, the feminism and pc angle is stupid (you shouldn't need to force gender into certain roles) and its put me off watching any other new SW film.

Disney are way too big now and I'm not spending another penny on the crap they produce.

This is the thing with these equality groups. Do they not realise that they are actually the problem? They have actually made the 'powerful' women in this film seem really dumb.

Don't get me started on the Rose love affair. Its like a 12 year old with a crush giving their dad's mate a kiss. That was a really weird moment when she kissed Fin.

Jeez. What a sack of st.

I'm not just saying this because I'm a fan. I genuinely think they have completely lost the plot with this. Even if it was not a star wars film, i'd be thinking WTF?

I thought using cliches was a stupid idea? The politics thing was so obvious and so badly done.

What a sexist, inconsistent and political mess.

Final thought. When Luke milked the creature, it made me think that that is how Disney are treating the franchise now. He got the milk, drank it and didn't look pleased. But I guess he needed it. You could say he is representing the star wars fans and the big fat alien thing is Disney.

Bingo.

Looked at objectively as a non star wars film, away from words like canon and geeky. It's just a bloody bad film, that's poorly scripted, acted and screenplayed.

The franchise has no where to go except kylo becoming kain baddie and red defeating him, jesus.....can't wait.

[urquattroGus]

I had the Force Awakens on Blu ray for about 2 years and only watched it whilst off sick the week before Christmas.

I really enjoyed it and it whetted my appetite for The Last Jedi which I finally went to see a week ago.

I really was rather disappointed!

Do others agree that the Force Awakens was better, more Star Wars??

[ukaskew]

RemyMartin81D said:

Looked at objectively as a non star wars film, away from words like canon and geeky. It's just a bloody bad film, that's poorly scripted, acted and screenplayed.

Interestingly any decent critic would be viewing this as a standalone film away from any geekery or too much thought of what came before or will come next. Most of those have been incredibly positive about the story.

I thought it was a better film than it was a Star Wars film, if that makes sense. Visually it had 3 of the best scenes I saw in any film last year (Snoke guard fight, silent hyperspace scene and all of the Crait sequence), the score was superb, the acting was top notch and a few obvious missteps aside the story contained solely within the running time was pretty darn strong.

Is it a Three Billboards, a Molly's Game? Nope, but this has to appeal to my 10 year old nephew too.

[Pebbles167]

urquattroGus said:

Do others agree that the Force Awakens was better, more Star Wars??

Absolutely, although TFA wasn't brilliant, I liked it, and came out of the cinema happy. I feel it was too much a rehash of ANH so loses originality points. It does make up for it though, by looking and sounding great. And also for introducing us to some likeable characters and interesting plot points for Rian Johnson to rubbish up in TLJ.

[Halb]

RemyMartin81D said:

funkyrobot said:

I've slept on it now and have reflected on it further.

What the hell are they doing to the franchise?

The film isn't at all great, it takes everything setup in TFA and ruins it, the feminism and pc angle is stupid (you shouldn't need to force gender into certain roles) and its put me off watching any other new SW film.

Disney are way too big now and I'm not spending another penny on the crap they produce.

This is the thing with these equality groups. Do they not realise that they are actually the problem? They have actually made the 'powerful' women in this film seem really dumb.

Don't get me started on the Rose love affair. Its like a 12 year old with a crush giving their dad's mate a kiss. That was a really weird moment when she kissed Fin.

Jeez. What a sack of st.

I'm not just saying this because I'm a fan. I genuinely think they have completely lost the plot with this. Even if it was not a star wars film, i'd be thinking WTF?

I thought using cliches was a stupid idea? The politics thing was so obvious and so badly done.

What a sexist, inconsistent and political mess.

Final thought. When Luke milked the creature, it made me think that that is how Disney are treating the franchise now. He got the milk, drank it and didn't look pleased. But I guess he needed it. You could say he is representing the star wars fans and the big fat alien thing is Disney.

Bingo.

Looked at objectively as a non star wars film, away from words like canon and geeky. It's just a bloody bad film, that's poorly scripted, acted and screenplayed.

The franchise has no where to go except kylo becoming kain baddie and red defeating him, jesus.....can't wait.

I think so, even without critics being banned for dissing Disney.
As a sci-fi film, it's bad to mediocre, there are some excellent points in there, really good, but they go nowhere or are destroyed minutes later because the writing is so bad they destroy even what they set up in-film. Compared to the classics, it's a mess, though it looks beautiful. It reminds me of the Prometheus/Alien Covenant situation. Even when disassociated from the franchise (which is stupid) it's own logic creaks along. I don't understand how big money films like this can do that, it's almost as if they are too scared to commit to any solid step, Justice League and it's reshoots spring to mind as well here.
I think the reaction that the the TLJ has had though will now just compound the problem, Disney will second guess themselves over the next film and it may end up even ore of a mess.
I am really interested now in how the Solo film lands.

[zygalski]

I think the need to rattle off these franchise cash cows as quickly as possible inevitably means that the writing suffers.
Such a shame Fisher died. Just imagine the spin off trilogy we could have had explaining how she completely mastered the force between TFA & TLJ.

[ExVantagemech..]

I don't think Leia is a strong enough character to have a spin off. Please prove me wrong, but she was initially the damsel in distress that needed saving, again and again. Her role in TLJ was pretty poor as well. Actually every one of the existing original characters were poor, yet we know from the previous films they are far from that. It's the way they have used the draw of seeing the "band back together" that got the crowds in, then they basically have them cameo parts. Hamill was absolutely right in his rubbishing of the movie for a character that fought his father in the name.of good to run away hide from everyone.

And another thing. Why were they so surprised that the destroyer could track them through hyperspace, when the rebels could see where Rey was - somewhere waaaay across the galaxy, with what seemed to be a phone sized tracking device? Yes yes yes it's a sci fi film. Still doesn't give writers carte blanche to rewrite the basic principles. Leia would have died immediately in the vacuum of space. Sadly with Fishers demise I wonder if the writers are now muttering "bugger, we should have finished it there"....

[zygalski]

Well at least let's have a 5 series cartoon show chronicling the Puffin Wars.

[Leithen]

Nope, try as hard as you like, I still enjoyed it.

[Halb]

ExVantagemech.. said:

I don't think Leia is a strong enough character to have a spin off. Please prove me wrong, but she was initially the damsel in distress that needed saving, again and again.

Well in Star Wars she was instrumental in destroying the Death STar, stood up to two of the meanest people in the galaxy, and ends up saving her would be rescuers who cock it up, and then becomes deputy head of leading an army, so it wasn't quite as you describe.

[techguyone]

Does any franchise really need 2 films a year however good, without suffering fatigue.

Edited by techguyone on Monday 15th January 14:59

[r11co]

techguyone said:

Des any franchise really need 2 films a year however good, without suffering fatigue.

When you paid $4.2bn for the franchise the temptation is to try and make the money back as quickly as possible I guess. TLJ was supposed to break China and send the franchise stratospheric. That hasn't happened. I go back to my '10 movies' point earlier.

[tgclowes]

After the Force Awakens being pure garbage I was in no rush to see this one. Last Jedi wasn't quite as bad but still really very poor.

The director had a couple of smashing ideas (the idea of arms dealers selling to both sides etc) which could have added a really cool dark twist, much in the same way that Empire did. Genuine peril is great. But sadly not enough balls to follow through with them, which is a shame.

Bad, pointless story with bad and pointless characters, I mean Phasma? Yes her fate is fairly ambiguous but still...

[Catatafish]

techguyone said:

Des any franchise really need 2 films a year however good, without suffering fatigue.

Definitely not. The stories need to come from a creative spark allowed to mature gradually, rather than a production line of writers chucking in whatever elements Disney can merchandise to the Nth degree. I can't imagine that anything stops the production line, especially not a shiite plot.