Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)
Discussion
techguyone said:
Does any franchise really need 2 films a year however good, without suffering fatigue.
Disney can afford to throw a huge amount of money at the development of SW, and know that it should be more than made back. So if they allowed a long enough prep time till the first year's films in the cycle then they could have separate teams working on scripts and filming, no different from Disney developing Marvel, SW, Pixar, and Princess films all at once now as they are all separate teams. Edited by techguyone on Monday 15th January 14:59
From what I can see TFA, RO, TLJ and HS were all developed by different teams with overlapping periods of development and filming so equivalent to one team doing the films in series with suitable gaps between. The problem is the decisions made at the top with the show runner rather than trying to cram more films into a shorter period. Disney have made it very clear that you either do what the show runner says or you are replaced.
tgclowes said:
Bad, pointless story with bad and pointless characters, I mean Phasma? Yes her fate is fairly ambiguous but still...
We have always seen the Empire/First order from the vader/emperor/kylo/generals point of view - whereas storm troopers have just been expendable meat shields.Phasma was the chance to flesh out the storm troopers side of the story and give a fresh angle on things (there are always two sides to a story), however she was next to useless in TFA and didn't really do much more in TLJ. Massive missed opportunity.
What this latest SW film has done is make me not care or look forward to the next instalment, like I have over the past years, even with the prequel trilogy.
Disney and the film makers involved don't seem to care, so I have to ask myself, why the hell should I?
This was the last SW film we watch at 12.01am at the cinema.
Disney and the film makers involved don't seem to care, so I have to ask myself, why the hell should I?
This was the last SW film we watch at 12.01am at the cinema.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_las...
Audience reviews down to 49% even with the artificial Disney reviews propping up the scores with 5 stars.
Audience reviews down to 49% even with the artificial Disney reviews propping up the scores with 5 stars.
Halb said:
ExVantagemech.. said:
I don't think Leia is a strong enough character to have a spin off. Please prove me wrong, but she was initially the damsel in distress that needed saving, again and again.
Well in Star Wars she was instrumental in destroying the Death STar, stood up to two of the meanest people in the galaxy, and ends up saving her would be rescuers who cock it up, and then becomes deputy head of leading an army, so it wasn't quite as you describe.
But yes, she is still instrumental in the stories, just IMO the weakest one to have a spin off. ( And thats not regarding the exit from the bridge in TLJ!)
techguyone said:
Does any franchise really need 2 films a year however good, without suffering fatigue.
Gerog SMit has a video talking about Star Wars fatigue, with SOlo coming out in a few months, I can see this.Edited by techguyone on Monday 15th January 14:59
RLM also chat about how much scope there is in the SW universe, once the old story finished, rebellion over, what was there? But just having to rehash all the old stuff just to have story.
ExVantagemech.. said:
Handing the stolen plans to a droid then getting captured, caused the death of thousands on Alderaan with her honesty....One of the meanies was her Dad and has needed saving in a few other perilous points.... But yes, she is still instrumental in the stories, just IMO the weakest one to have a spin off. ( And thats not regarding the exit from the bridge in TLJ!)
Handing reduces all she did, which was being a major player, even before the whole story got rewritten for the benefit of R1. But yes, she is still instrumental in the stories, just IMO the weakest one to have a spin off. ( And thats not regarding the exit from the bridge in TLJ!)https://screenrant.com/star-wars-rogue-one-death-s...
She was de facto 2nd in charge behind Mon Motha.
Nobody in the room knew of the relationship, Vader didn't even know he had kids. I'm sure it's mentioned somewhere that it was her natural strength in the force that allowed her to prevent the mind hack.
I agree that she would be a lesser character than the other two...but that is because the other two are Han Solo and Luke!
And by solo films, I mean the using the actors, I hope to christ we don't get other actors playing the main ones as younger versions.
Alderaan was inhabited wasn't it, I'd have thought billions rather than thousands, there's thousands in my home town for example there's over 55 thousand people.
mmm 2 billion
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Destruction_of_Alde...
That makes Leia the biggest SW Character causing loss of life due to actions (not a villain) making anything Poe, Luke or anyone else seem small in comparison.
mmm 2 billion
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Destruction_of_Alde...
That makes Leia the biggest SW Character causing loss of life due to actions (not a villain) making anything Poe, Luke or anyone else seem small in comparison.
Halb said:
techguyone said:
Does any franchise really need 2 films a year however good, without suffering fatigue.
Gerog SMit has a video talking about Star Wars fatigue, with SOlo coming out in a few months, I can see this.Edited by techguyone on Monday 15th January 14:59
RLM also chat about how much scope there is in the SW universe, once the old story finished, rebellion over, what was there? But just having to rehash all the old stuff just to have story.
ExVantagemech.. said:
Handing the stolen plans to a droid then getting captured, caused the death of thousands on Alderaan with her honesty....One of the meanies was her Dad and has needed saving in a few other perilous points.... But yes, she is still instrumental in the stories, just IMO the weakest one to have a spin off. ( And thats not regarding the exit from the bridge in TLJ!)
Handing reduces all she did, which was being a major player, even before the whole story got rewritten for the benefit of R1. But yes, she is still instrumental in the stories, just IMO the weakest one to have a spin off. ( And thats not regarding the exit from the bridge in TLJ!)https://screenrant.com/star-wars-rogue-one-death-s...
She was de facto 2nd in charge behind Mon Motha.
Nobody in the room knew of the relationship, Vader didn't even know he had kids. I'm sure it's mentioned somewhere that it was her natural strength in the force that allowed her to prevent the mind hack.
I agree that she would be a lesser character than the other two...but that is because the other two are Han Solo and Luke!
And by solo films, I mean the using the actors, I hope to christ we don't get other actors playing the main ones as younger versions.
tgclowes said:
Bad, pointless story with bad and pointless characters, I mean Phasma? Yes her fate is fairly ambiguous but still...
Which makes the positive reviews from the critics even more surprising.
chris watton said:
What this latest SW film has done is make me not care or look forward to the next instalment, like I have over the past years, even with the prequel trilogy.
Disney and the film makers involved don't seem to care, so I have to ask myself, why the hell should I?
Disney and the film makers involved don't seem to care, so I have to ask myself, why the hell should I?
Another brilliant vid from Georg Rockall-Schmidt with astute observations on fandom and poor writing.
The Importance Of Fandom - The Last Jedi
https://youtu.be/uWZYY_RXpUYtechguyone said:
Does any franchise really need 2 films a year however good, without suffering fatigue.
I really enjoyed The Last Jedi but even I think another 5 months down the line is too much. Rogue One was excellent and worked well a year between 7 and 8, but another queued up what is likely to be just 16 or so weeks after TLJ has finished its run is just nuts.Edited by techguyone on Monday 15th January 14:59
Interestingly Universal are going aggressive and releasing Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom 13 days after Solo in the UK, that's going to mean a huge drop in screens for Disney early in its run.
ExVantagemech.. said:
...caused the death of thousands on Alderaan with her honesty....
Excellent point, apart from the fact, you know, that it's completely wrong.Tarkin ordered the destruction of Alderaan after she told them the Rebel base was on Dantooine.
So her lying caused the destruction of Alderaan...
Incidentally, Deadpool 2 out week before Solo (film was brought forward) and Jurassic World 2 is a fortnight after. Main reason is that after the sacking / mutually consented release of Lord and Miller and then the reshoots, the other studios smell blood in the water.
JW2 i can understand, but D2? Disney has just bought 20th Century Fox and then D2 is brought forward. Are they actively trying to minimise the box office issue by getting as much product out there as possible? If you don't see this film (by us) then see this one (by us)!
ukaskew said:
I really enjoyed The Last Jedi but even I think another 5 months down the line is too much. Rogue One was excellent and worked well a year between 7 and 8, but another queued up what is likely to be just 16 or so weeks after TLJ has finished its run is just nuts.
Interestingly Universal are going aggressive and releasing Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom 13 days after Solo in the UK, that's going to mean a huge drop in screens for Disney early in its run.
Solo is up against some tough competition.Interestingly Universal are going aggressive and releasing Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom 13 days after Solo in the UK, that's going to mean a huge drop in screens for Disney early in its run.
Infinity war is being release 1 month before - and will likely still be in theatres when Solo drops.
Deadpool 2 has apparently been bumped up the schedule to come out the week before Solo and Jurassic World comes out 2 weeks after.
I was just thinking, bit odd we've not seen any trailers for Solo with it supposed to be out in 4 months. A quick google and it seems they were filming pick up shots.
I had to look that up - "In filmmaking, a pick-up is a small, relatively minor shot filmed or recorded after the fact to augment footage already shot. When entire scenes are redone, it is referred to as a re-shoot."
So they need pick ups for a trailer? I think they are in trouble....
I had to look that up - "In filmmaking, a pick-up is a small, relatively minor shot filmed or recorded after the fact to augment footage already shot. When entire scenes are redone, it is referred to as a re-shoot."
So they need pick ups for a trailer? I think they are in trouble....
lenny007 said:
ExVantagemech.. said:
...caused the death of thousands on Alderaan with her honesty....
Excellent point, apart from the fact, you know, that it's completely wrong.Tarkin ordered the destruction of Alderaan after she told them the Rebel base was on Dantooine.
So her lying caused the destruction of Alderaan...
So you're probably both wrong, and Alderaan would have been destroyed whatever she said.
GravelBen said:
lenny007 said:
ExVantagemech.. said:
...caused the death of thousands on Alderaan with her honesty....
Excellent point, apart from the fact, you know, that it's completely wrong.Tarkin ordered the destruction of Alderaan after she told them the Rebel base was on Dantooine.
So her lying caused the destruction of Alderaan...
So you're probably both wrong, and Alderaan would have been destroyed whatever she said.
lenny007 said:
Well, without geeking out too much (which is impossible not to do when discussing Star Wars, Tarkin sent scouts to Dantooine off the back of Leia's "confession" and was informed of this prior to issuing the order to destroy Alderaan. So what i said was correct, from a certain point of view...
I thought she said it was Dantooine after Tarkin threatens to blow up Alderaan, then he basically says "thanks", then blows up Alderaan anyway, then later on in the film he finds out she lied and orders her execution. So whatever she says about the rebel base, Alderaan was already doomed.Yeah, ALderaan was gonna get it as a nice demonstration to the senate and bolder systems. From memory, Leia resists torture/mind hack, so Tarkin takes her to ALderaan to use it as a threat for her to volunteer the info, she does and then he turns around and says one of the best lines, 'you may fire when ready' to Johhny Briggs's dad.
Leia's input had no effect. I reckon even if Leia had said a system that was busy, he'd still have done Alderaan, that was Tarkin all over, he was a one.
Leia's input had no effect. I reckon even if Leia had said a system that was busy, he'd still have done Alderaan, that was Tarkin all over, he was a one.
Halb said:
Yeah, ALderaan was gonna get it as a nice demonstration to the senate and bolder systems. From memory, Leia resists torture/mind hack, so Tarkin takes her to ALderaan to use it as a threat for her to volunteer the info, she does and then he turns around and says one of the best lines, 'you may fire when ready' to Johhny Briggs's dad.
Leia's input had no effect. I reckon even if Leia had said a system that was busy, he'd still have done Alderaan, that was Tarkin all over, he was a one.
Compare the cool menace of Tarkin, who basically kept Darth Vader, one of the most bad-ass villians in history on a leash through sheer force of will to General Hux and the awful slapstick dynamic he has with Kylo Ren and well practically everybody else.Leia's input had no effect. I reckon even if Leia had said a system that was busy, he'd still have done Alderaan, that was Tarkin all over, he was a one.
Disney I'm really starting to hate you for what you've done to this franchise!
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