Three Girls - BBC Drama about Rochdale abuse
Discussion
andymc said:
im sorry but you can excuse them as much as you want but they are anally raping 12 year old girls its f
k all to do with permissive Western attitudes to sex or raging hormones, I had raging hormones but I wasn't grooming children, filthy bds, no more no less and they fact they are not being hounded out of their own "communities" tells me its ok as the girls were "up for it", I bet most of the offenders will still be married thanks to that 3rd world religion
I wouldn't say he's trying to excuse them as much as find some sort of explanation. What do you think it is? They are more "evil" than us? They are just plain "worse" than us?k all to do with permissive Western attitudes to sex or raging hormones, I had raging hormones but I wasn't grooming children, filthy bds, no more no less and they fact they are not being hounded out of their own "communities" tells me its ok as the girls were "up for it", I bet most of the offenders will still be married thanks to that 3rd world religionI think there are groups of Asian men that simply have contempt for what they see as easy, sexually promiscuous white girls who's perceived life style and attitude makes them fare game. They certainly don't see them as children (vulnerable or otherwise) who are deserving of their protection.
Edited by e21Mark on Friday 19th May 21:48
desolate said:
The Spruce goose said:
interesting quote from police and council
'South Yorkshire Police and Rotherham Council regarded them not as grooming victims but youngsters who had made a lifestyle choice.'
To me that is the heart of the matter:'South Yorkshire Police and Rotherham Council regarded them not as grooming victims but youngsters who had made a lifestyle choice.'
A complete disregard for the victims. It's only a decade or so ago but attitudes surrounding consent have changed.
The system really didn't care what happened to them as they were 'troubled'.
Horrendous.
Rotherham involved girls on the margins of society - runaways and in and out of care homes - the ignorance would be more understandable whereas Rochdale the girls lived in council estates - would that have contributed to the authorities' laziness? And/or the matter being raised by a sexual health worker contributing to the ignorance?
I think the fear of being labelled racist played a huge part. That and the fact these girls were viewed as being troublesome due to their behaviour. It appears some services were prepared to simply pass the buck rather than risk being criticised. The attitudes displayed towards these children, by both their abusers and those supposedly charged with their protection, is disputable.
e21Mark said:
I think the fear of being labelled racist played a huge part. That and the fact these girls were viewed as being troublesome due to their behaviour. It appears some services were prepared to simply pass the buck rather than risk being criticised. The attitudes displayed towards these children, by both their abusers and those supposedly charged with their protection, is disputable.
The real Sara Rowbotham gave an interview with The Daily Telegraph (online article behind paywall) and she was adamant that it was disrespectful attitudes was the main cause and NOT political correctness.It was Rotherham council and authorities that was found to have systemic institutionalised political correctness.
It's a bit more complex than simply the PC bandwagon. After it all it cost Sara Rowbotham her job.
entropy said:
The real Sara Rowbotham gave an interview with The Daily Telegraph (online article behind paywall) and she was adamant that it was disrespectful attitudes was the main cause and NOT political correctness.
I know it was a drama and on the BBC so some will go on about it being biased; but the theme of the programme was the bad attitude towards the girls themselves by the police, CPS and courts. Also the lack of understanding about how to use certain types of people as witnesses. The point was made at one stage that certain types of people who are less good as witnesses are more likely to be victims.
hyphen said:
The Don of Croy said:
Getting back to the programme...
Epi 2 continues the same dreaded theme - both my wife and I are hooked, but also really troubled by the storyline. We've read about it in the papers before, but the dramatisation is profoundly shocking.
The fifteen year old being arrested as a madam, the social workers telling parents their daughter is a hooker, the attitude of the Rochdale police, it's not a good picture. At least they froze the foetus for future forensics (try saying that quickly).
Good telly.
So far I have found it good but bugs me to its limited coverage, as it has solely focused on the girls/public services and not shown the men's family/community angle at all.Epi 2 continues the same dreaded theme - both my wife and I are hooked, but also really troubled by the storyline. We've read about it in the papers before, but the dramatisation is profoundly shocking.
The fifteen year old being arrested as a madam, the social workers telling parents their daughter is a hooker, the attitude of the Rochdale police, it's not a good picture. At least they froze the foetus for future forensics (try saying that quickly).
Good telly.
By that, I mean that these men were essentially leading double lives, that Daddy guy was in full muslim robes- so he was probably going to mosque 5 times a day, seen as a respectable adult. These men themselves may have had daughters who must have reacted in disbelief when they were arrested. The wide non-grooming muslim society in Rochdale's reactions and so on, the fellow taxi drivers who weren't into this.
Hope they cover this in the 3rd episiode.
eccles said:
hyphen said:
The Don of Croy said:
Getting back to the programme...
Epi 2 continues the same dreaded theme - both my wife and I are hooked, but also really troubled by the storyline. We've read about it in the papers before, but the dramatisation is profoundly shocking.
The fifteen year old being arrested as a madam, the social workers telling parents their daughter is a hooker, the attitude of the Rochdale police, it's not a good picture. At least they froze the foetus for future forensics (try saying that quickly).
Good telly.
So far I have found it good but bugs me to its limited coverage, as it has solely focused on the girls/public services and not shown the men's family/community angle at all.Epi 2 continues the same dreaded theme - both my wife and I are hooked, but also really troubled by the storyline. We've read about it in the papers before, but the dramatisation is profoundly shocking.
The fifteen year old being arrested as a madam, the social workers telling parents their daughter is a hooker, the attitude of the Rochdale police, it's not a good picture. At least they froze the foetus for future forensics (try saying that quickly).
Good telly.
By that, I mean that these men were essentially leading double lives, that Daddy guy was in full muslim robes- so he was probably going to mosque 5 times a day, seen as a respectable adult. These men themselves may have had daughters who must have reacted in disbelief when they were arrested. The wide non-grooming muslim society in Rochdale's reactions and so on, the fellow taxi drivers who weren't into this.
Hope they cover this in the 3rd episiode.
Charlie Hoskins said:
To accurately portray that would not be keeping with the BBC 'message'.....
How would they know how to "accurately portray" that? Wouldn't that be the subject of an entirely separate investigative documentary? By the way, the bit in the community centre in the drama which does make an effort on that point is described on page 4 of this thread as "cringeworthy". They cant win can they?Charlie Hoskins said:
eccles said:
hyphen said:
The Don of Croy said:
Getting back to the programme...
Epi 2 continues the same dreaded theme - both my wife and I are hooked, but also really troubled by the storyline. We've read about it in the papers before, but the dramatisation is profoundly shocking.
The fifteen year old being arrested as a madam, the social workers telling parents their daughter is a hooker, the attitude of the Rochdale police, it's not a good picture. At least they froze the foetus for future forensics (try saying that quickly).
Good telly.
So far I have found it good but bugs me to its limited coverage, as it has solely focused on the girls/public services and not shown the men's family/community angle at all.Epi 2 continues the same dreaded theme - both my wife and I are hooked, but also really troubled by the storyline. We've read about it in the papers before, but the dramatisation is profoundly shocking.
The fifteen year old being arrested as a madam, the social workers telling parents their daughter is a hooker, the attitude of the Rochdale police, it's not a good picture. At least they froze the foetus for future forensics (try saying that quickly).
Good telly.
By that, I mean that these men were essentially leading double lives, that Daddy guy was in full muslim robes- so he was probably going to mosque 5 times a day, seen as a respectable adult. These men themselves may have had daughters who must have reacted in disbelief when they were arrested. The wide non-grooming muslim society in Rochdale's reactions and so on, the fellow taxi drivers who weren't into this.
Hope they cover this in the 3rd episiode.
Randy Winkman said:
entropy said:
The real Sara Rowbotham gave an interview with The Daily Telegraph (online article behind paywall) and she was adamant that it was disrespectful attitudes was the main cause and NOT political correctness.
I know it was a drama and on the BBC so some will go on about it being biased; but the theme of the programme was the bad attitude towards the girls themselves by the police, CPS and courts. Also the lack of understanding about how to use certain types of people as witnesses. The point was made at one stage that certain types of people who are less good as witnesses are more likely to be victims.
Trabi601 said:
andymc said:
absolute middle aged attitudes to women in general, the women of this country should be campaigning to rid the country of this lot never mind donald trump
And you wonder why you've been called racist?andymc said:
Im not sure if its came across the wrong way, the *lot* I referred to was extreme views against women in society, it has no place in the 21st century or in modern society
Who are 'this lot', then?Catholics? Hindus? Muslims? Sikhs? Agnostics? Athiests? C of E? etc.
Are they white, brown, yellow, black?
I'm guessing 'this lot' aren't white Catholics.
Trabi601 said:
andymc said:
Im not sure if its came across the wrong way, the *lot* I referred to was extreme views against women in society, it has no place in the 21st century or in modern society
Who are 'this lot', then?Catholics? Hindus? Muslims? Sikhs? Agnostics? Athiests? C of E? etc.
Are they white, brown, yellow, black?
I'm guessing 'this lot' aren't white Catholics.
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