Three Girls - BBC Drama about Rochdale abuse

[McCrae1971]

The program highlights what horrific acts these kids went through. Sadly it's not an isolated case as another gang were jailed last year.
Can't confirm the stats but the gang jailed last year in Calderdale were Asian which help support the case.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-3655909...

[Casa1862]

McCrae1971 said:

The program highlights what horrific acts these kids went through. Sadly it's not an isolated case as another gang were jailed last year.
Can't confirm the stats but the gang jailed last year in Calderdale were Asian which help support the case.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-3655909...

Not Asian, mainly Pakistani muslims, they'll target Hindu and Sikhs girls given the chance. Really unfair to compare this lot with other "Asian" communities.

[WolfAir]

Being of Pakistani descent myself, it is incredibly shaming the way these animals have behaved and anyone else that takes advantage and exploits any person, not just children.

Many people may think we brush things like this 'under the carpet' but reality could not be much further than the truth. I have friends and family living in rochdale.. and 1 family member a taxi driver in rochdale and none had any inclination of things like this happening.

The people that orcastrate these gangs keep them tightly knit. Anybody who would have reported these bast*ards would not have known...

[CarAbuser]

Surprisingly the thing that angered me the most was the inaction of the public servants. People paid to prevent this kind of thing happening who just kept quiet to prevent being labelled as racists.

[anonymous-user]

there is case going on at the moment in oxford, they were abused in a house opposite the mosque. two big failures but it nothing new the catholic priest have been abusing for hundreds of years.

The failure of the religious community to any take any positive action and the public servants at all levels. but where there is poverty there is abuse.

[anonymous-user]

desolate said:

andymc said:

ok, so can anyone explain the propensity of Pakistani men of all ages involved in this?

I have no idea why anyone would do what's been happening.

Does anyone have any figures as to the split of sex crimes based on ethnicity and/socio economic group?

I can't find any.

That's because the figures aren't taken as it would be racist and discriminatory and against their culture. Probably. According to some privileged white vegan point-maker.

[anonymous-user]

desolate said:

edit: this is quite interesting
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-...

"The Jay report into failings in Rotherham says: “By far the majority of perpetrators were described as Asian by victims, yet throughout the entire period, councillors did not engage directly with the Pakistani-heritage community to discuss how best they could jointly address the issue."

“Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.”

The unit says: “All ethnicities were represented in the sample. However, a disproportionate number of offenders were reported as Asian.”

Are statistics really needed? Surely the victim statements are sufficient to see there's a genuine problem? (And shame on the councillors - but their fear of being labelled "racist" for questioning the ethnicity is a direct result of this professionally-offended, safe-space malarkey that infects everything nowadays.

[anonymous-user]

OpulentBob said:

Are statistics really needed? Surely the victim statements are sufficient to see there's a genuine problem? (And shame on the councillors - but their fear of being labelled "racist" for questioning the ethnicity is a direct result of this professionally-offended, safe-space malarkey that infects everything nowadays.

Are statistics really needed - it would help a bit in tying it all together with other stats.

The report is a bit out of date so with the recent convictions I would think that the ratio would have increased.

I had a professional involvement in the care of vulnerable kids(from a risk management side) and the attitude astonished me - so I am in no way making excuses for the gangs or engaging in "whataboutism" I am merely trying to see if the same trends exist.

[uncle tez]

The most shocking thing about it all is that the police etc let it carry on even when they were told about it. You can't blame the Muslim/ Pakistani communities as its happened in the past and also been ignored. Look at the Jimmy Saville case and all the other BBC stories/suspects.

I actually live in Heywood which is the part of Rochdale where most of this took place. I have been in the takeaways and recognise some of the men from them and may have even got in one of their taxis in the past. Its pretty shocking when its so close to home and it has effected the Muslim community here with some people now refusing to have Asian taxi drivers and boycotting some takeaways.

Most people here do realise that we can't tar them all with the same brush and since this all came out in the news there have been several EDL protests and marches in the town but most people seem to back the honest, kind, Hard working Muslims that we have here rather than the outsiders coming here to stir things up.

[The Don of Croy]

Getting back to the programme...

Epi 2 continues the same dreaded theme - both my wife and I are hooked, but also really troubled by the storyline. We've read about it in the papers before, but the dramatisation is profoundly shocking.

The fifteen year old being arrested as a madam, the social workers telling parents their daughter is a hooker, the attitude of the Rochdale police, it's not a good picture. At least they froze the foetus for future forensics (try saying that quickly).

Good telly.

[rdjohn]

The whole thing is deeply shocking, but two aspects that have really surprised me is the unit that the Maxine Peak character works for seemingly handing-out contraception, on demand - I thought there might be added value in relationship counselling and sex education etc.

But prior to last night I imagined that a mother-and-baby unit would be a cute annex to the local hospital where in reality it looks like rabbit hutches that makes it easier for Social workers to safeguard, what in their opinion is, "the best interests of the baby".

[hyphen]

The Don of Croy said:

Getting back to the programme...

Epi 2 continues the same dreaded theme - both my wife and I are hooked, but also really troubled by the storyline. We've read about it in the papers before, but the dramatisation is profoundly shocking.

The fifteen year old being arrested as a madam, the social workers telling parents their daughter is a hooker, the attitude of the Rochdale police, it's not a good picture. At least they froze the foetus for future forensics (try saying that quickly).

Good telly.

So far I have found it good but bugs me to its limited coverage, as it has solely focused on the girls/public services and not shown the men's family/community angle at all.

By that, I mean that these men were essentially leading double lives, that Daddy guy was in full muslim robes- so he was probably going to mosque 5 times a day, seen as a respectable adult. These men themselves may have had daughters who must have reacted in disbelief when they were arrested. The wide non-grooming muslim society in Rochdale's reactions and so on, the fellow taxi drivers who weren't into this.

Hope they cover this in the 3rd episiode.

[anonymous-user]

hyphen said:

Hope they cover this in the 3rd episiode.

i don't think it will, it is clear that a lot of Muslims take the stuff in the Koran about non Muslims being able to be taken as slaves literally. The accused families probably don't see any issue with it, the ones that were outside the oxford court recently, family and friends didn't seem to have any issue with there fathers/husband behavior.

[andymc]

The Spruce goose said:

hyphen said:

Hope they cover this in the 3rd episiode.

i don't think it will, it is clear that a lot of Muslims take the stuff in the Koran about non Muslims being able to be taken as slaves literally. The accused families probably don't see any issue with it, the ones that were outside the oxford court recently, family and friends didn't seem to have any issue with there fathers/husband behavior.

I find it very hard to believe the community didn't know what was happening

[Legacywr]

It must be just as bad for the parents of the victims too!

[anonymous-user]

andymc said:

I find it very hard to believe the community didn't know what was happening

just reading some of the statistics, in Rotherham '1997 and 2013, estimated to have involved at least 1400 children who were subjected to 'appalling' sexual exploitation by gangs of men, many of Pakistani heritage'

'On 24 September 2012 Norfolk wrote that the abuse in Rotherham was much more widespread than acknowledged, and that the police had been aware of it for over a decade. His story, "Police files reveal vast child protection scandal", was based on 200 leaked documents, some from Jayne Senior, such as case files and letters from police and social services. The documents included Adele Weir's 2001 report for the Home Office, which linked 54 abused children to the Hussain family; 18 of the children had called Arshid Hussain their "boyfriend".[15]'

the rings with same modus operandi, i would say tip of iceberg, just go to any poverty town or city area.

Rotherham
Rochdale
Derby sex gang
Oxford sex gang
Telford sex gang
Keighley sex gang
Blackpool
oxford x 3
birmingham

probably loads more

interesting quote from police and council

'South Yorkshire Police and Rotherham Council regarded them not as grooming victims but youngsters who had made a lifestyle choice.'

Edited by The Spruce goose on Thursday 18th May 16:31

[deadslow]

andymc said:

I find it very hard to believe the community didn't know what was happening

all the people in the community who could have stopped it knew perfectly well what was happening but couldn't be arsed to do their jobs - social work, police

[anonymous-user]

The Spruce goose said:

interesting quote from police and council

'South Yorkshire Police and Rotherham Council regarded them not as grooming victims but youngsters who had made a lifestyle choice.'

To me that is the heart of the matter:

A complete disregard for the victims. It's only a decade or so ago but attitudes surrounding consent have changed.

The system really didn't care what happened to them as they were 'troubled'.

Horrendous.

[Randy Winkman]

desolate said:

The Spruce goose said:

interesting quote from police and council

'South Yorkshire Police and Rotherham Council regarded them not as grooming victims but youngsters who had made a lifestyle choice.'

To me that is the heart of the matter:

A complete disregard for the victims. It's only a decade or so ago but attitudes surrounding consent have changed.

The system really didn't care what happened to them as they were 'troubled'.

Horrendous.

So far, for me that seems to be the theme of the programme. A judgemental attitude by the authorities towards the girls. Though not by Maxine Peak, obviously.

[anonymous-user]

the worst thing is the same people involved have been doing it for years and even today it isn't over still happening, the police haven;t changed there view. Look at the maddie case millions pumped into that whilst not a lot into this abuse, poor people do get a raw deal.