Star Trek: Discovery - New series on Netflix

[gadgetmac]

chris watton said:

I think the point is that not as many as first hoped enjoyed Discovery as you say you did, and when some point that out, you feel hurt for some reason.

I think you’re wrong.

It’s THE most popular streaming TV program in both the UK and the USA.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/n...

[LordGrover]

I found STD a bit hard going first time round, but re-watching again now and enjoying it far more.

[ben5575]

ThunderSpook said:

Nonsense, I just don’t really care that much about canon, I just want to see a good TV series. I really enjoyed Discovery and didn’t really give a crap where it fit in to various universes etc.

I fall into the same camp. I'm a big fan, as in I've watched and enjoyed all of the series, but I don't collect the toys/speak Klingon.

I do spot the inconsistency of me despising The Last Jedi for all of the reasons that have been gone over ad infinitum but at the same time not giving a monkeys about Discovery being at odds with the cannon of the other series etc.

I suppose the difference is that I really enjoyed the Discovery story line/series and was/am just excited that Star Trek is back. I like how it played with my expectations of what Star Trek is, taking it to darker places etc.

I think Discovery has struggled because Star Trek has such geeky connotations that 'normal' people are instantly put off from watching it simply because of the name. Likewise Star Trek geeks really are uber geeks (smaller audience so concentrated as opposed to Star Wars which has much wider audience which waters down the average (mean?!) geek across the board), so when they get upset they get properly upset.

Anyhow, I can't wait for Season 2

[chris watton]

gadgetmac said:

I think you’re wrong.

It’s THE most popular streaming TV program in both the UK and the USA.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/n...

If that really is the case, then by all means, they should just keep churning them out to the same formula, surely - if it's doing that well?

On the other hand, if I make a product, advertise it, and then it doesn't do as well as I promised my backers it would, I may also want to ask my buds in the media to try and make out it's more popular than I could have imagined. Doesn't make it true, though, and in the end, the cold hard monetary figures always tell the true story.

[ThunderSpook]

I don’t mind people getting upset about canon, or other people not liking things that I like. I just find it daft when people get upset about rumours of things like the Picard series, when there is literally no information about it.

[chris watton]

ThunderSpook said:

I don’t mind people getting upset about canon, or other people not liking things that I like. I just find it daft when people get upset about rumours of things like the Picard series, when there is literally no information about it.

Yes, that's fine, but in that link I provided, the narrator even states what you just did, nothing is agreed, it is just a rumour right now. If you had watched the whole thing, perhaps you would have heard that part.

[gadgetmac]

chris watton said:

gadgetmac said:

I think you’re wrong.

It’s THE most popular streaming TV program in both the UK and the USA.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/n...

If that really is the case, then by all means, they should just keep churning them out to the same formula, surely - if it's doing that well?

On the other hand, if I make a product, advertise it, and then it doesn't do as well as I promised my backers it would, I may also want to ask my buds in the media to try and make out it's more popular than I could have imagined. Doesn't make it true, though, and in the end, the cold hard monetary figures always tell the true story.

Well it’s been renewed which on american tv tells you all you need to know about its popularity and by extension its perceived profitability.

[ThunderSpook]

chris watton said:

ThunderSpook said:

I don’t mind people getting upset about canon, or other people not liking things that I like. I just find it daft when people get upset about rumours of things like the Picard series, when there is literally no information about it.

Yes, that's fine, but in that link I provided, the narrator even states what you just did, nothing is agreed, it is just a rumour right now. If you had watched the whole thing, perhaps you would have heard that part.

I did go back and watch the rest of it. 90% of what he was saying was based on it being a fact, and he only mentions it’s a rumour very briefly.

[Flip Martian]

I've never bought pointy ears, gone to conventions or anything but always enjoyed most ST. STD got better and the reveals at the end were pretty good.

But that video clearly shows the "Milk the cow and the stupid will buy our milk, regardless" attitude behind the series. And the future series they plan on making to keep their channel going. And that stinks really. TV obviously needs to be successful but serving up any old toss as long as it's called ST is probably not the way to get fans to buy in to the merchandise etc (for those who buy such stuff).

[Flip Martian]

gadgetmac said:

Well it’s been renewed which on american tv tells you all you need to know about its popularity and by extension its perceived profitability.

S1 was pretty much paid for by what Netflix paid for overseas rights. They're not bankrolling S2 - that rests more on CBS this time so it's more at risk this time around. S2 stinks = it will be cancelled. They've got a decent story to play with, so hopefully they won't screw it up.

[SpudLink]

All the people I know that like sci-fi really enjoyed ST Discovery. All of them familiar with various versions of Trek, although none of them Trekkies. And yet here on the internet the majority opinion is that it’s complete rubbish, and not really Start Trek at all.

Maybe I’m missing something, but I love the show, and I have no problem considering it part of the Star Trek franchise.

[irocfan]

SpudLink said:

All the people I know that like sci-fi really enjoyed ST Discovery. All of them familiar with various versions of Trek, although none of them Trekkies. And yet here on the internet the majority opinion is that it’s complete rubbish, and not really Start Trek at all.

Maybe I’m missing something, but I love the show, and I have no problem considering it part of the Star Trek franchise.

+1

[jagnet]

Well it seems that the "not really Star Trek" could have a lot to do with much of it being lifted straight from a Steam game called.... "Tardigrades".

The similarities came to light back in October last year, and then things went quiet. Now the game developer is suing CBS for plagiarism following discussions that didn't go anywhere.

(YouTube) Nerdrotic Channel: Star Trek Discovery Plagiarism Lawsuit Going To Court

Imho there really are a lot of similarities between STD and the Tardigrades game that can't be just coincidence.

[irocfan]

not the series but the Kelvin timeline movie series. Looks like there is big trouble at paramount

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOys0IusW2U

[Wobbegong]

jagnet said:

Well it seems that the "not really Star Trek" could have a lot to do with much of it being lifted straight from a Steam game called.... "Tardigrades".

The similarities came to light back in October last year, and then things went quiet. Now the game developer is suing CBS for plagiarism following discussions that didn't go anywhere.

(YouTube) Nerdrotic Channel: Star Trek Discovery Plagiarism Lawsuit Going To Court

Imho there really are a lot of similarities between STD and the Tardigrades game that can't be just coincidence.

A lot of similarities however the dark skin tone of the lead, gay couple etc are common tokens in most films/series now.

[glazbagun]

So finally caught up with this and binged it. My verdict- had its moments and I enjoyed it but is going nowhere I fear.


Things I liked-
Totally didn't see the BIG character twist.
The alternate universe stuff was a lot of fun if you suspended reality enough.
The tests of moral character- cannibalism, genocide, etc
The Star-trek feeling bits- people running into their own consciences, etc.
First (?) openly gay characters seemed the most star trek thing in the show for a bit. And I liked how Stamitz evolved from stuck up academic to hippie to tragic biological freak.
I actually liked that the Klingons seemed Alien and made lots of cultural references to thier religion and heritage. I can't see why some earlier in the thread thought they were referencing Trump voters, I thought they were referencing ISIS or the Nazi's!


Things I didn't-
TBH, I liked discovery and for a first season thought it was bold and interesting. But they blew the whole lot with the last episode-
why make it dark if you're just going to wuss out?

They were pretty brave crossing the whole "this isn't the trek you know" vibe, so why does the genocidal emperor (who must be Stalin meets Ghengis Khan x 10) wuss out over the soft spot she had for her not-even-friend she was ready to decapitate two episodes earlier when she's literally been given a new life of meaning? Over something she'd already done before!That's Deus-Ex Pathetica.

The whole next series could have been the Federations fightback from a losing position via a tousand heroic battles, or they could have done a Babylon 5 three season arc of "why did the Klingons stop?" Or a whole series of Captain Ahab dragging a crew of moral people through one immoral victory to another.

The utopian ideals of the original TOS were built from the ashes of the Eugenics War and Third World War which, like the second, left humanity looking for a better way to solve its differences because Total War is just Mutually Assured Destruction at our level and above. This could have added to that foundation but instead was stolen away with some weak mealy mouthed nonsense and a character acting out of character.

I'll watch season 2 because its trek and it's waaaay better than DS9/Voyager season 1, but it's a shame the writers didn't have the balls/ability to create something great from some good pieces- they are writing pre TOS history after all.


Would be interesting to see if there is any truth in the Tardigrade rumous. After the B5/DS9 controversy of 20 years ago it does seem an extraordinary coincidence.

[juggsy]

New trailer for S2: https://youtu.be/7zKf7pyxa1w

Looks to be arriving in the new year https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/06/star-trek-disc...

[james_tigerwoods]

I do like the look of that

"This might hurt"

[sparks_E46]

I absolutely cannot wait for this! Season 1 is coming on Blu-ray next month, will watch again over the Christmas downtime to refresh my memory.

[anonymous-user]

Oh yeah!