Star Trek: Discovery - New series on Netflix
Discussion
Gavia said:
I enjoyed the latest episode. Good to see they didn’t drag the Tyler storyline out too much. Be interesting to see how the rest of it plays out, plenty of clues as to the rest of the storyline as well.
Yes a few bits 'mirror' related still stand to be played out. Stamets saw a mirror image stay in the mirror after he walked away from it before he was comatose and at the end of the first half of the series Lorca was left staring at a mirror image of himself in the window with a phaser to hand. I watched the first couple of episodes of the latest season, and I though it was very average and didn't quite work for me. I think the reason is that, when other ST series' have done this, it has been well into multiple seasons, and we know all of the characters very well, and it can be fun to see personalities flipped. However, I still cannot name most of the main characters in this series, and I haven't had time to invest in each ones particular traits, so this semi comedic mirror universe thing doesn't work for me.
Hope they get back on track soon, this has been cringe worthy.
Hope they get back on track soon, this has been cringe worthy.
Must admit having caught up with the latest, it bored me so much I was really wondering if I've reached the limit of my star trek allegiance. Once again, Lorca tells her what to do; once again, she argues and says "no, you're wrong I need to do this instead". I don't know why he bothers, frankly... My wife likes it more than me - and she's not really a Trek fan. Not sure I can sit through another one, even from behind my laptop.
Flip Martian said:
Must admit having caught up with the latest, it bored me so much I was really wondering if I've reached the limit of my star trek allegiance. Once again, Lorca tells her what to do; once again, she argues and says "no, you're wrong I need to do this instead". I don't know why he bothers, frankly... My wife likes it more than me - and she's not really a Trek fan. Not sure I can sit through another one, even from behind my laptop.
On that description isn't that the theme of every ST made? Spock points out the illogical decisions by Kirk, who ignores him anyway pointing out how human intuition is always better, Bones tells Kirk everything is dangerous and shouldnt be doing anything at all, Scotty says he will try, and succeed......Data always surprises us with his 'human' like qualities which are more human than humans. La Forge can't get a bird but can bend the fabric of time and space. JLP makes his Shakespearean way across the galaxy never putting a foot wrong and educating number one each time who is apparently the best number one there is but seems to always fall over at the most simple of command issues.
Its nothing that hasn't come before, except I quite like that this one is much darker following on from the films of late. That the universe doesn't always present an obvious resolution where the humans humiliate and school the Ferenghi at each encounter (yet they seem to have built incredible star ships and a vast empire despite being so utterly lacking in common sense) or whatever race.
Why compare it, take it on its merits i.e. new people with twists and turns, deaths, dark, bleak rather than the above? Sure you can read the internet, fill in the gaps you missed and think the storyline is obvious - but so has all that came before it?
GrumpyTwig said:
Got to be honest I'm very "meh" with the recent two episodes.
I wish the Saru character would just jump out an airlock though, he's like Star Treks Ja Ja Binks.
This I sort of have to agree with, he's got a little bit better but still the most annoying character in it for me by far. I just don't get the character, he's physically much stronger and more capable then most humans and Vulcan's but spends his entire life in a perpetual state of fear when he could kick the arse of 99% of the people he will encounter, how does that work?I wish the Saru character would just jump out an airlock though, he's like Star Treks Ja Ja Binks.
Also how does someone who is afraid all the time become a first officer in a version of Star Fleet that is considerably more militaristic and war like then any ST we've seen before?
The character is annoying but more importantly just doesn't make any sense.
parabolica said:
HannsG said:
Loving the whole emporer vibe - who is it etc?
It's Michelle Yeoh/former captain of the Shenzhou - will be interesting to see what the backstory to the emperor is though. I know that’s nothing to do with Start Trek, but I still can’t get my head around it.
coldel said:
On that description isn't that the theme of every ST made? Spock points out the illogical decisions by Kirk, who ignores him anyway pointing out how human intuition is always better, Bones tells Kirk everything is dangerous and shouldnt be doing anything at all, Scotty says he will try, and succeed...
...Data always surprises us with his 'human' like qualities which are more human than humans. La Forge can't get a bird but can bend the fabric of time and space. JLP makes his Shakespearean way across the galaxy never putting a foot wrong and educating number one each time who is apparently the best number one there is but seems to always fall over at the most simple of command issues.
Its nothing that hasn't come before, except I quite like that this one is much darker following on from the films of late. That the universe doesn't always present an obvious resolution where the humans humiliate and school the Ferenghi at each encounter (yet they seem to have built incredible star ships and a vast empire despite being so utterly lacking in common sense) or whatever race.
Why compare it, take it on its merits i.e. new people with twists and turns, deaths, dark, bleak rather than the above? Sure you can read the internet, fill in the gaps you missed and think the storyline is obvious - but so has all that came before it?
The characters were more likeable. Burnham just seems bristly and scowly the whole time. Lorca has some depth and I like the darkness of it. I also quite like Saru for all the reasons the poster above doesn't! Its all just opinions ultimately. Burnham being the lead though, it just puts me off because I find nothing interesting or likeable. She's "bad ass female character 101" that appears in so many of the US scifi stuff my wife watches......Data always surprises us with his 'human' like qualities which are more human than humans. La Forge can't get a bird but can bend the fabric of time and space. JLP makes his Shakespearean way across the galaxy never putting a foot wrong and educating number one each time who is apparently the best number one there is but seems to always fall over at the most simple of command issues.
Its nothing that hasn't come before, except I quite like that this one is much darker following on from the films of late. That the universe doesn't always present an obvious resolution where the humans humiliate and school the Ferenghi at each encounter (yet they seem to have built incredible star ships and a vast empire despite being so utterly lacking in common sense) or whatever race.
Why compare it, take it on its merits i.e. new people with twists and turns, deaths, dark, bleak rather than the above? Sure you can read the internet, fill in the gaps you missed and think the storyline is obvious - but so has all that came before it?
Yes Burnham is a mixed up confused woman. A human who grew as a vulcan who doesn't really have that emotional control and gets things wrong, regularly. I think Tilly is underused, Tyler has been pretty good as someone who swerved left and right you always suspected something was up and they have to be fair not hung that story out too long and its been exposed and the knock on effects will happen in the next episode...
Rather enjoying it. The debate over whether it is "Trek" or not is a bit tedious (see also the debate over the latest Star Wars Fillum which comes down to people not getting the story they had in their heads)
Sorry I digress. The fact that the script writers are prepared to "kill off" major characters lends a degree of peril to the story lines compared to traditional Trek where the only danger was to those in red shirts. Rather warming to Michael Burnham, she doesn't seem to have much luck does she!
Sorry I digress. The fact that the script writers are prepared to "kill off" major characters lends a degree of peril to the story lines compared to traditional Trek where the only danger was to those in red shirts. Rather warming to Michael Burnham, she doesn't seem to have much luck does she!
Rumblestripe said:
Rather enjoying it. The debate over whether it is "Trek" or not is a bit tedious (see also the debate over the latest Star Wars Fillum which comes down to people not getting the story they had in their heads)
Sorry I digress. The fact that the script writers are prepared to "kill off" major characters lends a degree of peril to the story lines compared to traditional Trek where the only danger was to those in red shirts. Rather warming to Michael Burnham, she doesn't seem to have much luck does she!
Ah yes Galaxy Quest a great send up of Star Trek where one of the characters is a guy in a red shirt who is convinced as soon as it all gets real that he is doomed as 'extras in the red shirt always get killed first' lolSorry I digress. The fact that the script writers are prepared to "kill off" major characters lends a degree of peril to the story lines compared to traditional Trek where the only danger was to those in red shirts. Rather warming to Michael Burnham, she doesn't seem to have much luck does she!
Rumblestripe said:
Rather enjoying it. The debate over whether it is "Trek" or not is a bit tedious (see also the debate over the latest Star Wars Fillum which comes down to people not getting the story they had in their heads)
Sorry I digress. The fact that the script writers are prepared to "kill off" major characters lends a degree of peril to the story lines compared to traditional Trek where the only danger was to those in red shirts. Rather warming to Michael Burnham, she doesn't seem to have much luck does she!
The latter is definitely a plus. Although I bet Burnham never gets bumped off you can imagine everyone else being killed off at some point.Sorry I digress. The fact that the script writers are prepared to "kill off" major characters lends a degree of peril to the story lines compared to traditional Trek where the only danger was to those in red shirts. Rather warming to Michael Burnham, she doesn't seem to have much luck does she!
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