Frankie Boyle's New World Order
Discussion
DSLiverpool said:
Meridius said:
The Paul Nuttall monologue at the end of the first episode had me absolutely dying
The type of guy who gives you unsolicited advice when playing a fruit machine is spot on.
Probably the high point of the whole series.
The last couple of episodes I've not enjoyed. It's just boring 'tory bad', 'brexit bad', Trump bad etc type chat.
Rich_W said:
Far right wing, then Yes. But I doubt many people who are centre right share his views. (and I;m sure you're not equating anyone who talks sensibly about immigration as being default racist)
Sadly these days, Boyles views are pretty much anyone centre left all the way out to far left.
They do love to hate and shout so much....
If he gets on the tits of people like you, I'm all for him. Sadly these days, Boyles views are pretty much anyone centre left all the way out to far left.
They do love to hate and shout so much....
V8covin said:
....it could almost be a Labour party political broadcast....
This in spades. It's just tiresome all the anti-government crap on these so called comedy shows (Last Leg, I'm looking at you here)One thing that struck me watching the last Frankie Boyle show:
People voted for the tories. People voted for the tories more than any other party. By continually having a go at the tories, you're indirectly having ago at those people who voted for them as well, in exactly the same way it was deemed acceptable for a long time to call Brexit voters racist morons. That's not the basis for a comedy show.
Give the country some credit. Make jokes, make it lighthearted, but at least target everyone instead of this continually boring pick on the government for 30/60 minutes. It's just not entertaining.
But they do take the mick out of Liberal's ineffectiveness and Diane Abbott's trouble with numbers and, until the last election when he kind of stole the rug from under them, Corbyn's befuddled invisibility and lack of understanding that he was supposed to be leader of the opposition.
Perhaps people forget how much flak Blair (rightly) got when he was PM - The incumbent party make all the decisions and when they're bad ones (or they're just not making any, as appears to be the case at the moment), they're going to be the target of comedy.
Face it, most people (of all persuasions) ALWAYS vote the same way and often because their parents did or didn't vote that way, so having a go at those people who always vote for the Tories (or Labour should they ever get back into power) is fair game as is having a go at a PM who misjudged the mood of the country so badly that instead of getting the landslide majority she expected ended up with a minority propped up by, yes, let's face it, a bunch of bigots (unless you're hoping to make a case for the DUP as a party of reason...?) and so bumbling in the election that she succeeded in making Corbyn look MORE credible to a lot of people as a PM than her!
If you don't like Frankie Boyle's politics, why watch it? I don't go to see Jim Davidson live, but I don't come on forums to bemoan the fact that he's overtly right wing - I just avoid him!
M
Perhaps people forget how much flak Blair (rightly) got when he was PM - The incumbent party make all the decisions and when they're bad ones (or they're just not making any, as appears to be the case at the moment), they're going to be the target of comedy.
Face it, most people (of all persuasions) ALWAYS vote the same way and often because their parents did or didn't vote that way, so having a go at those people who always vote for the Tories (or Labour should they ever get back into power) is fair game as is having a go at a PM who misjudged the mood of the country so badly that instead of getting the landslide majority she expected ended up with a minority propped up by, yes, let's face it, a bunch of bigots (unless you're hoping to make a case for the DUP as a party of reason...?) and so bumbling in the election that she succeeded in making Corbyn look MORE credible to a lot of people as a PM than her!
If you don't like Frankie Boyle's politics, why watch it? I don't go to see Jim Davidson live, but I don't come on forums to bemoan the fact that he's overtly right wing - I just avoid him!
M
Edited by marcosgt on Wednesday 5th July 10:25
I think Frankie's monologues are great but his style of delivery seems a lot more stilted than it used to be. Seems a bit too much like he's reading them from auto-cue or just reciting them direct from memory. Needs to be more relaxed.
I don't think the panel part of the show works particularly well and the one I watched with Kath Ryan didn't deliver very many laughs.
I don't think the panel part of the show works particularly well and the one I watched with Kath Ryan didn't deliver very many laughs.
Shilvers said:
People voted for the tories. People voted for the tories more than any other party. By continually having a go at the tories, you're indirectly having ago at those people who voted for them as well, in exactly the same way it was deemed acceptable for a long time to call Brexit voters racist morons. That's not the basis for a comedy show.
To put this into contextCurrent estimated UK population: 65,511,098 (www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population)
Total electorate: 46,843,896 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results)
Total votes cast: 32,204,141 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017)
Conservative vote: 13,669,883 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results)
That is to say : 42.4% of votes cast, 29.1% of the electorate, 20.8% of the UK population
Someone has to keep a check on the government that 79.2% of the population (57.6% of voters) didn't vote for - the Labour and LibDem parties have spectacularly failed to do so in recent years. My view is that when you accept a role in government then you accept the criticism for doing it badly (or even well), taking bad (good, or any) decisions, and for the flak from people who simply disagree with you. Because yes, you are still allowed to disagree with people in this country, indeed this is a fundamental part of British culture, despite what the tabloids say.
I also agree that flogging the same cheap comedy dead horse is not entertaining. So I don't watch it. I'm not going to tell you to do the same, because you must make your own decision, and not be blindly led by others who tell you what to do based on their own opinions.
I couldn't care less that the cast don't disguise their politics. It's not like they're trying to plant thoughts in your mind subliminally. The audience can judge the merits of their arguments for themselves.
The show doesn't quite work because they're trying to strike an impossible balance between Boyle's acerbic, there-are-no-subjects-off-limits style and the urge to talk seriously and sympathetically about some topics. One moment he'll be describing Ed Balls as dancing like a wardrobe that's having a brain haemorrhage, and the next he's saying that it isn't good enough to blame Tory austerity for the Grenfell Tower blaze as the failures are collective and stretch back across many administrations. That's an ambitious mix, and even if they can't quite pull it off, I admire them for trying and still find it entertaining and interesting.
The show doesn't quite work because they're trying to strike an impossible balance between Boyle's acerbic, there-are-no-subjects-off-limits style and the urge to talk seriously and sympathetically about some topics. One moment he'll be describing Ed Balls as dancing like a wardrobe that's having a brain haemorrhage, and the next he's saying that it isn't good enough to blame Tory austerity for the Grenfell Tower blaze as the failures are collective and stretch back across many administrations. That's an ambitious mix, and even if they can't quite pull it off, I admire them for trying and still find it entertaining and interesting.
mcbook said:
I think Frankie's monologues are great but his style of delivery seems a lot more stilted than it used to be. Seems a bit too much like he's reading them from auto-cue or just reciting them direct from memory. Needs to be more relaxed.
I don't think the panel part of the show works particularly well and the one I watched with Kath Ryan didn't deliver very many laughs.
I think Katherine Ryan is on the show every week. I don't think the panel part of the show works particularly well and the one I watched with Kath Ryan didn't deliver very many laughs.
Eddie Strohacker said:
Rich_W said:
Far right wing, then Yes. But I doubt many people who are centre right share his views. (and I;m sure you're not equating anyone who talks sensibly about immigration as being default racist)
Sadly these days, Boyles views are pretty much anyone centre left all the way out to far left.
They do love to hate and shout so much....
If he gets on the tits of people like you, I'm all for him. Sadly these days, Boyles views are pretty much anyone centre left all the way out to far left.
They do love to hate and shout so much....
I watched the final episode and thought it was pretty decent.
Frankie's monologues actually has me lolling which is a rare feat for a TV comedy these days. The no-holds-barred approach was there as normal but I thought with added surrealism/absurdity which was excellent and something you definitely don't get on Mock the Week. The comedy sidekicks were of questionable value but didn't detract from my enjoyment. Good episode.
Frankie's monologues actually has me lolling which is a rare feat for a TV comedy these days. The no-holds-barred approach was there as normal but I thought with added surrealism/absurdity which was excellent and something you definitely don't get on Mock the Week. The comedy sidekicks were of questionable value but didn't detract from my enjoyment. Good episode.
I may not share his politics, but he can be brilliant.
This monologue that followed the election of Donald Trump is (IMHO) a masterpiece...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rGcDj9y_YU
This monologue that followed the election of Donald Trump is (IMHO) a masterpiece...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rGcDj9y_YU
marcosgt said:
If you don't like Frankie Boyle's politics, why watch it? I don't go to see Jim Davidson live, but I don't come on forums to bemoan the fact that he's overtly right wing - I just avoid him!
M
You're from the preach to the converted school of thought I see.M
Edited by marcosgt on Wednesday 5th July 10:25
I like to try and keep an open mind so I'll listen/watch people I wouldn't normally agree with to get an alternative viewpoint.Sometimes I learn something
ky art show on a friday should be. 
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