SPOILERS - GoT leaked/2am thread

[anonymous-user]

I called the white walker thing, i re-watched door and noticed the zombies are controlled by the ww.

if you watched the season trailer it had the blue eye in it. i don't think they are ice dragon.

Edited by The Spruce goose on Friday 18th August 10:10

[V8mate]

paulrockliffe said:

And Benjen appearing out of nowhere, twice now, needs some sort of explanation too really.

Yeah. I can get my head round dragons and the undead, but that was the most 'WTF?' moment of the episode.

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[ICallCustard]

I think the change in pace is really hurting the show now which is a shame.

All the intricacies of previous seasons seem to be lost now.

The way people are zooming around the country in record timing just seems a bit silly.

Also all the "almost mentioning someone but not quite" and "oh you just missed them" moments seem too convenient.

Maybe things have been sped up this series to allow the final series to progress as a better pace?

[anonymous-user]

for me it was one of the best episodes. i think what caught the show out was the popularity, they have had to condense as i think the actors wages are getting on for 2million an episode, where at the start probably a quarter of that. i think the original budget per season was 60m now it is 100m.

[paulrockliffe]

The Spruce goose said:

for me it was one of the best episodes. i think what caught the show out was the popularity, they have had to condense as i think the actors wages are getting on for 2million an episode, where at the start probably a quarter of that. i think the original budget per season was 60m now it is 100m.

Maybe, but they'll make more money if they do it properly than if they screw it up right at the end by not spending what is needed to do it properly.

It's not like they'll be running at a loss for the later series, the licensing fees will have risen with popularity and it'll be being sold into more markets now too, so more longer series = more money.

It's more likely that now the book material isn't available the writers have been found out and are simplifying because they can't work out the bits that we'll see if the books ever get written (!) that tie it all together properly.

Last series I think we saw stuff that GRMM has shared with D&D, but this season we're passed even that and it shows, eg we had Tower of Joy stuff, but that's been dropped, Bran seems to have been marginalised, we've had nothing more about the history of the White Walkers.

It'll certainly be interesting to see how much of what we see now is nowhere to be seen if the books ever get finished.

[Shaoxter]

It was probably the best episode ever in terms of action and cinematography but also the worst in terms of plot holes and ridiculous Hollywood BS. Dany and her dragons come just as the group were getting surrounded, Benjen arrives just in time to save Jon Snow, how convenient

Also why did the dragons not just go for the white walkers first? And why didn't the WW just aim his spear at Dany or Drogon which had all the people on?

[confucuis]

Whilst I enjoyed it I don't think it was on par with battle of the bds or hardholme.

I was thinking though, we know all the dead are extremely combustible, the dragon which was killed (which one was that by the way?) should now be relatively easy to kill using the other dragons as it won't (or should not anyway) be able to use fire, its' wing got fked up so shouldn't be able to fly and be very easy to set alight now!

The other thing is, for all the northern lords talk of loyalty and the way they swore allegiance to Jon, they really do go back on their word easily!

[Butter Face]

confucuis said:

(which one was that by the way?)

Viserion (greeny coloured one) names for Viserys her brother IIRC.

[48Valves]

Whilst Eisode 6 was spectacular visually. The pacing and apparent ability for people to cover 100s of miles instantly ruined any sense of peril. Even when JS fell in the water you knew he would be ok. There is no way he would be able to swim in water that cold never mind how much the wet fur would weigh.

And it was all too predictable.

[Butter Face]

Bloody Uncle Benjen

Dragon Ex Machina

Gendry in 'Westeros' Number 1 Marathon runner'

[Tony Starks]

The chains and the march for 3 days, run home in an hour really bugged me. As others have said, now its passed the books the writers are falling behind.

[V8mate]

confucuis said:

Whilst I enjoyed it I don't think it was on par with battle of the bds or hardholme.

The Battle of the bds was one of the best cinematographic battles I've ever seen. The scale of it, the utter human destruction and the inability to draw your own breath as JS was himself drowning under a sea of bodies made it truly incredible. Strangely, (or maybe not so strange) I actually came away from it with a profound sense of the despair of the First World War.

Hardholme was pure excitement - and certainly a GoT highlight - but BotB remains the epic set-piece. IMHO etc.

[lemmingjames]

The small group infront of the main group = recce party

The undead can also only seem to travel where its cold (think it was explained in a previous episode) and they bring a fog/extra coldness with them (im assuming to keep themselves cold and not decompose/defrost.

I dont think Cersei will help the North as shes said before basically fk them, Jamie will take a token party North (think 300 style) and then Dany will be at odds on what to do with him

Mini Man definately looks like hes going for a power grab or switching allegiances though

[anonymous-user]

lemmingjames said:

The small group infront of the main group = recce party

i would say it was a trap, the area was set up for a trap. the white walker king is very statically savvy, and the fact he never speaks means it is hard to know his strategy. the way things are going i think he could come out on top. the next thing is the wall to fall, which as dragons are a source of magic power might happen now.

[Sway]

The Spruce goose said:

lemmingjames said:

The small group infront of the main group = recce party

i would say it was a trap, the area was set up for a trap. the white walker king is very statically savvy, and the fact he never speaks means it is hard to know his strategy. the way things are going i think he could come out on top. the next thing is the wall to fall, which as dragons are a source of magic power might happen now.

Not sure it was - think of the bonfire...

I think they were tracking Benjen, who's fire it was. Also makes it a bit cleaner about why he turned up at just the right moment.

Perhaps a trap for Benjen, sprung by the Avengers/A Team.

[paulrockliffe]

Sway said:

Not sure it was - think of the bonfire...

I think they were tracking Benjen, who's fire it was. Also makes it a bit cleaner about why he turned up at just the right moment.

Perhaps a trap for Benjen, sprung by the Avengers/A Team.

Maybe, I'd forgotten the fire. I thought the fire was a trap to draw a dead thing out with set by the Magnificent 7. Still want to know who the other 6 were?

[Tankrizzo]

The dragon thing, although well done, was extremely predictable plot-wise as otherwise the two "sides" (breathing and not!) were far too unequal. Dany could have rinsed the entire undead army including the NK with three dragons, this does level things a bit more.

Agreed with the pacing. The writers seem to have abandoned all sense of geography now with how quickly groups are moving between locations.

It's almost certain Zombie Viserion will bring down the wall, I'm assuming he will still breathe fire, but this is GoT so they'll probably colour it blue and call it "ice fire". Dany will also probably lose the other smaller dragon trying to defeat it.

Also Benjen out of nowhere....both my wife and I exclaimed WTF! when he showed up, deus ex machina. Jon Snow has plot armour so thick it could withstand anything.

[V8mate]

paulrockliffe said:

Sway said:

Not sure it was - think of the bonfire...

I think they were tracking Benjen, who's fire it was. Also makes it a bit cleaner about why he turned up at just the right moment.

Perhaps a trap for Benjen, sprung by the Avengers/A Team.

Maybe, I'd forgotten the fire. I thought the fire was a trap to draw a dead thing out with set by the Magnificent 7. Still want to know who the other 6 were?

Just people to carry their gear. Wildling sherpa jobbies. 'Disposable' characters for when the fighting starts.

[ICallCustard]

V8mate said:

paulrockliffe said:

Sway said:

Not sure it was - think of the bonfire...

I think they were tracking Benjen, who's fire it was. Also makes it a bit cleaner about why he turned up at just the right moment.

Perhaps a trap for Benjen, sprung by the Avengers/A Team.

Maybe, I'd forgotten the fire. I thought the fire was a trap to draw a dead thing out with set by the Magnificent 7. Still want to know who the other 6 were?

Just people to carry their gear. Wildling sherpa jobbies. 'Disposable' characters for when the fighting starts.

GOT version of red shirts.

[Sway]

Tankrizzo said:

The dragon thing, although well done, was extremely predictable plot-wise as otherwise the two "sides" (breathing and not!) were far too unequal. Dany could have rinsed the entire undead army including the NK with three dragons, this does level things a bit more.

I called it on the non spoiler thread after watching ep5.

We've still not seen a WW dealing with any fire other than fairly low level burning ground...

Also wtf on aiming for viserion flying around - the guy's got javelin throwing capabilities that are obscene, yet he goes for the smallest flying dragon and ignores the closer, big bad dragon on the ground with virtually all of his enemies trying to get on his back...