If you haven't already, I urge you to watch an F2 race.

If you haven't already, I urge you to watch an F2 race.

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Andy S15

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399 posts

126 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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If you have the standard gripes with F1 and you haven't watched a Formula 2 race, you need to give it a go.

F1 sound not good enough? Engines too complicated and unrelatable? Welcome back to NA 4L V8's. Meccachrome 10,000rpm, 600+HP, 200mph non turbo beasties which sound rather nice.
F1 racing not close enough? It's a spec formula where quite often the top 10 are all within 10 seconds of each other.
F1 cars too ugly these days? F2 has much simpler aero, on a much smaller more elegant car. This also has the benefit of drivers actually being able to follow the car in front for a while.
F1 doesn't have enough overtakes? The recent Monza race in particular had so many its hard to keep track of. They aren't overtakes which rely on gimmicks either - sure, they have DRS but there's no hybrid gubbins and since the engines are all the same, DRS only seems to open the window of opportunity rather than just sailing past on the straights.
F1 racing not spectacular enough? Since the field is full of inexperienced have-a-go heroes trying to prove themselves, if there's a hint of a window then its game on. This results in either spectacular accidents, off road excursions or fantastic overtakes.

Most of the calendar takes place on the same F1 weekends too, on the same tracks - with the exception of the round at Jerez. There's also other quirks like extra points for the fastest lap when inside the top 10.

Downsides? There's not a whole lot of diversity since it's a spec formula so all the cars look the same. I also believe that if you win a season, you aren't allowed to compete in the following season so there's not a whole lot of driver parity. It also seems quite hard to actually watch a damn race unless you've got a Sky sports package, but most of the good bits/most of the whole races seem to be available on Youtube.

Anyway, to whet your appetite, here's a clip of the last couple of laps of the 'feature' race from Monza after a safety car restart. Fantastic stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XESK5yP04wM



Edited by Andy S15 on Tuesday 26th September 09:40

sparta6

3,689 posts

99 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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I agree entirely.
Purer aero makes for better racing.

F1 front wings are currently more fussy than a Prada handbag.




Roofless Toothless

5,611 posts

131 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Earlier this year, in a discussion about a 'boring' F1 race, I expressed my opinion that the higher up the formulae you go, the drivers tend to make less mistakes. There is a kind of natural selection that sees to that. From the many races I have witnessed, overtaking opportunities generally come when the driver in front makes a mistake.

Go to a typical club race and you will see plenty of drivers who struggle to do a single lap without cocking at least one corner up. Now don't get me wrong, these guys are the salt of the earth, and the backbone of motorsport, but as they progress it is the ones with the real quality that get to the top.

The clip you have provided to my mind shows a lot of drivers who lack the skill to keep their cars on the road in difficult conditions. It is 'good race' only so far as there are a lot of incidents and spectacle.

Compare that to the way the leading F1 drivers coped at Monza that weekend. Now, this may make the senior category boring in some eyes, but to others there is a vast reward in witnessing high levels of skill coupled with the amazing technical capabilities of modern racing cars.

I can't help but have to say it, but although it may be a bit of a giggle, races like the above are a bit shallow, and I find my tastes more mature, albeit not so immediately 'entertaining'.

Andy S15

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399 posts

126 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Roofless Toothless said:
I can't help but have to say it, but although it may be a bit of a giggle, races like the above are a bit shallow, and I find my tastes more mature, albeit not so immediately 'entertaining'.
I agree. I enjoy F1 for the quality of the racing, its just in such short quantity. F2 is the opposite, but you can't deny the entertainment value and it certainly seems to have an answer to the majority of the usual F1 racing gripes. The particular clip I linked is somewhat chaotic which definitely gives more of the 'shallow' vibe - having watched the full F2 sprint race at Monza last night I reckon there was a better balance between quality and quantity. If only there was some open-wheeler middle ground between the two formulas...


Edited by Andy S15 on Tuesday 26th September 11:57

TSCfree

1,681 posts

230 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Thanks enjoyed that.

Reminds me of past Moto GP races with the free for all ducking and diving!

Keep It Simple Stupid - a lovely little principle, often overlooked.

Krikkit

26,500 posts

180 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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I tend to watch both for entertainment value - they're very different series', and it shows, but both great.

Silverstone was absolutely brilliant viewing.

Roofless Toothless

5,611 posts

131 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Andy S15 said:
Roofless Toothless] [Snip said:
I can't help but have to say it, but although it may be a bit of a giggle, races like the above are a bit shallow, and I find my tastes more mature, albeit not so immediately 'entertaining'.
I agree. I enjoy F1 for the quality of the racing, its just in such short quantity. F2 is the opposite, but you can't deny the entertainment value and it certainly seems to have an answer to the majority of the usual F1 racing gripes. The particular clip I linked is somewhat chaotic which definitely gives more of the 'shallow' vibe - having watched the full F2 sprint race at Monza last night I reckon there was a better balance between quality and quantity. If only there was some open-wheeler middle ground between the two formulas...
Please do not find my use of the word 'mature' at all pejorative. smile

I think I just mean that I am an old fart.

Disastrous

10,072 posts

216 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Andy S15 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XESK5yP04wM



Edited by Andy S15 on Tuesday 26th September 09:40
That is absolutely excellent!

MitchT

15,788 posts

208 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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I used to love watching F2, or GP2 as it was called ... or F3000 as it was called before that. Not sure where I can see it on TV these days though. Anyone know how I can watch it without having to lube up and bend over for Murdoch?

Andy S15

Original Poster:

399 posts

126 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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MitchT said:
I used to love watching F2, or GP2 as it was called ... or F3000 as it was called before that. Not sure where I can see it on TV these days though. Anyone know how I can watch it without having to lube up and bend over for Murdoch?
My method for the non C4 F1 races is an Android app (unofficial, you'll have to google it) called Mobdro. It's a global channel streaming app, has all the Sky channels and it's about 95% reliable - not bad for free. You'll then have access to Sky Sports F1 which show all the F2 races.

Smollet

10,465 posts

189 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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I do enjoy the new F2(GP2,F3000) but I enjoyed the original F2 far more. F1drivers regularly took part and aspiring F1 drivers could pit their skill against them and it provided a good point of reference for F1 team owners on who was worth a gamble and who wasn't. Shame there isn't something similar nowadays.

alock

4,224 posts

210 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Andy S15 said:
If you have the standard gripes with F1 and you haven't watched a Formula 2 race, you need to give it a go.
Most don't give it a go for the same reason F1 viewing figures are declining. It needs to be on free to air TV.

gmaz

4,382 posts

209 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Great clip and Davide Valsecchi 's commentary is fantastic.

MitchT

15,788 posts

208 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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alock said:
Most don't give it a go for the same reason F1 viewing figures are declining. It needs to be on free to air TV.
True. Hence why it has fallen off my radar. I used to love watching the ITV (or was it C4?) coverage with Simon Taylor's commentary.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

151 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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gmaz said:
Great clip and Davide Valsecchi 's commentary is fantastic.
Really?

The commentary made me want to hurt myself......


I see what you mean - the cars do sound better and the racing is pretty intense.

Erdy

100 posts

124 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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gmaz said:
Great clip and Davide Valsecchi 's commentary is fantastic.
Love that guy haha especially they way he says Rrrrrrrrroooooooowland biggrin

Erdy

100 posts

124 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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gmaz said:
Great clip and Davide Valsecchi 's commentary is fantastic.
Love that guy haha especially they way he says Rrrrrrrrroooooooowland biggrin

Exige46

318 posts

235 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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I enjoy what he says, but personally can't stand the delivery. Hilarious whichever race it was when he did the post race podium interviews, and sounded exactly the same as he does when commentating!

DanielSan

18,745 posts

166 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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F2 offers very good racing, if you want constant wheel to wheel action watch Aussie V8 Supercars. All the joy of touring cars but with higher driving standards

Vaud

50,289 posts

154 months

Sunday 1st October 2017
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sparta6 said:
I agree entirely.
Purer aero makes for better racing.

F1 front wings are currently more fussy than a Prada handbag.
It's also the single chassis/engine spec. It's bound to be close, they have few variables.