Gunpowder BBC 1 9.10pm
Discussion
Smiler. said:
Holy crap it's graphic, only 25 mins in. One tends to forget it wasn't all Erroll Flynn in those days.
Dooley is playing his part well.
I think Smiler has sort of hit the nail on the head - people as a collective do forget it wasn't all Erroll Flynn. I would elaborate though to say it wasn't AT ALL Erroll Flynn. It was a viscious, nasty and religiously zealous. Protestants and Catholics were dDooley is playing his part well.
heads to each other for hundreds of years. Mary set fire to a lot of them - and I doubt that would have been pretty. The violence wasn't for show - that's pretty much how it went back then. Graphic and brutal executions were routine to act as a deterrent and to remind people who was boss.
Lose the gore, lose the impact in my opinion. I personally don't think the majority of the audience would be imaginative enough to grasp how grim it all was if it was left to implication - and that would then leave the story half told.
I also think Game of Thrones must have desensitized me a bit as I didn't think it was that bad
Edited by Vocal Minority on Monday 23 October 14:18
Vocal Minority said:
Smiler. said:
Holy crap it's graphic, only 25 mins in. One tends to forget it wasn't all Erroll Flynn in those days.
Dooley is playing his part well.
I think Smiler has sort of hit the nail on the head - people as a collective do forget it wasn't all Erroll Flynn. I would elaborate though to say it wasn't AT ALL Erroll Flynn. It was a viscious, nasty and religiously zealous. Protestants and Catholics were dDooley is playing his part well.
heads to each other for hundreds of years. Mary set fire to a lot of them - and I doubt that would have been pretty. The violence wasn't for show - that's pretty much how it went back then. Graphic and brutal executions were routine to act as a deterrent and to remind people who was boss.
Lose the gore, lose the impact in my opinion. I personally don't think the majority of the audience would be imaginative enough to grasp how grim it all was if it was left to implication - and that would then leave the story half told.
I also think Game of Thrones must have desensitized me a bit as I didn't think it was that bad
Edited by Vocal Minority on Monday 23 October 14:18
I didn't think the gory stuff was gratuitous, but I was grim. Still, R4 had complaints about putting on the Omen in the Book at Bedtime slot.
Slightly off topic, the 21.00 slot on BBC 2 tonight is the first of three parts about the spying & cyphers used by the the Catholics & William Cecil (as played by Gatiss) during the reign of Elizabeth I (the precursor to this story)
Edit to add: Bone Tomahawk - excellent film.
Edited by Smiler. on Monday 23 October 23:10
On the local radio tonight they had a history buff, an expert on the Gunpowder plot, who was most rude about the dramatic license allegedly taken, my God did he bang on, worse than a steam train buff arguing about the number of rivets on a steam train in a 1940s drama. I felt sorry for the presenter having to deal with this arse.
Seemed that he objected to the portrayal of the two executions being held in the location used or implied whereas in history they actually took place in York. This meant that for him the whole show was totally ruined, apparently.
Seemed that he objected to the portrayal of the two executions being held in the location used or implied whereas in history they actually took place in York. This meant that for him the whole show was totally ruined, apparently.
This place is equally bad for that in fairness.
The hint of something a bit niche getting popularised and the pedants and anoraks are straight out of the woodwork to make sure everyone realises they liked it first, like it more and know more.
This usually takes the form of excruciatingly dry detail being used as a bludgeon over people who just want to be a bit interested - like a sort of alpha nerd.
For more examples on Pistonheads of spods trying to out spod each other and claiming something as minor as an air filter totally destroying the magic see threads on :
The hint of something a bit niche getting popularised and the pedants and anoraks are straight out of the woodwork to make sure everyone realises they liked it first, like it more and know more.
This usually takes the form of excruciatingly dry detail being used as a bludgeon over people who just want to be a bit interested - like a sort of alpha nerd.
For more examples on Pistonheads of spods trying to out spod each other and claiming something as minor as an air filter totally destroying the magic see threads on :
- Dunkirk (actually any modern war film)
- Rush
Vocal Minority said:
This place is equally bad for that in fairness.
The hint of something a bit niche getting popularised and the pedants and anoraks are straight out of the woodwork to make sure everyone realises they liked it first, like it more and know more.
This usually takes the form of excruciatingly dry detail being used as a bludgeon over people who just want to be a bit interested - like a sort of alpha nerd.
For more examples on Pistonheads of spods trying to out spod each other and claiming something as minor as an air filter totally destroying the magic see threads on :
Actually, yes, very fair comments there. It's still as annoying as hell though. And boring.The hint of something a bit niche getting popularised and the pedants and anoraks are straight out of the woodwork to make sure everyone realises they liked it first, like it more and know more.
This usually takes the form of excruciatingly dry detail being used as a bludgeon over people who just want to be a bit interested - like a sort of alpha nerd.
For more examples on Pistonheads of spods trying to out spod each other and claiming something as minor as an air filter totally destroying the magic see threads on :
- Dunkirk (actually any modern war film)
- Rush
FiF said:
Vocal Minority said:
This place is equally bad for that in fairness.
The hint of something a bit niche getting popularised and the pedants and anoraks are straight out of the woodwork to make sure everyone realises they liked it first, like it more and know more.
This usually takes the form of excruciatingly dry detail being used as a bludgeon over people who just want to be a bit interested - like a sort of alpha nerd.
For more examples on Pistonheads of spods trying to out spod each other and claiming something as minor as an air filter totally destroying the magic see threads on :
Actually, yes, very fair comments there. It's still as annoying as hell though. And boring.The hint of something a bit niche getting popularised and the pedants and anoraks are straight out of the woodwork to make sure everyone realises they liked it first, like it more and know more.
This usually takes the form of excruciatingly dry detail being used as a bludgeon over people who just want to be a bit interested - like a sort of alpha nerd.
For more examples on Pistonheads of spods trying to out spod each other and claiming something as minor as an air filter totally destroying the magic see threads on :
- Dunkirk (actually any modern war film)
- Rush
FiF said:
Vocal Minority said:
This place is equally bad for that in fairness.
The hint of something a bit niche getting popularised and the pedants and anoraks are straight out of the woodwork to make sure everyone realises they liked it first, like it more and know more.
This usually takes the form of excruciatingly dry detail being used as a bludgeon over people who just want to be a bit interested - like a sort of alpha nerd.
For more examples on Pistonheads of spods trying to out spod each other and claiming something as minor as an air filter totally destroying the magic see threads on :
Actually, yes, very fair comments there. It's still as annoying as hell though. And boring.The hint of something a bit niche getting popularised and the pedants and anoraks are straight out of the woodwork to make sure everyone realises they liked it first, like it more and know more.
This usually takes the form of excruciatingly dry detail being used as a bludgeon over people who just want to be a bit interested - like a sort of alpha nerd.
For more examples on Pistonheads of spods trying to out spod each other and claiming something as minor as an air filter totally destroying the magic see threads on :
- Dunkirk (actually any modern war film)
- Rush
Filmed at Baddesley Clinton......Well worth a visit...Lovely old NT property.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/baddesley-clinton
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/baddesley-clinton
kurt535 said:
God Bless The Pope!!!
Wheres that town that still burns the Pope's effigy in November?
Lewes, county town of East Sussex.Wheres that town that still burns the Pope's effigy in November?
I'm hoping to pop down again this Nov 4 for the party - if the weather is good.
For the rivet counters - Lewes was the site of a matyrdom of 17 Protestants (burnt at the stake) in the name of the Pope. Every November the bonfire committee put on this display where each society carries 17 crosses, and each represents some 'theme' (including native amercians - there are archive records of Lewes men fighting at Little Big Horn). Every year there is a Pope effigy burned, plus another topical guy and numerous minor sideshows. It's a hoot.
There was even a law in England to make everybody celebrate Nov 5 annually, repealed in 1959.
I learned all this from my postman today - he's a 40+ year bonfire committee man.
As for the series - the executions were visceral, and the steam coming off the entrails a nice touch. Unpleasant, but well done quite disturbing because of it.
zarjaz1991 said:
Very well produced but it got far too graphic for my liking and I turned it off.
A shame as I was enjoying it up to "that" point, but that sort of graphic content is not for me I'm afraid.
I was really looking forward to this, but too many reports like this for my liking so gonna have to give it a miss. A shame as I was enjoying it up to "that" point, but that sort of graphic content is not for me I'm afraid.
Appreciate this is all probably a good reflection of the times, but I was more fascinated to see more about the actual 'story' as was hoping it'd be more focussed on that than the gore.
JulianHJ said:
The Don of Croy said:
I'm hoping to pop down again this Nov 4 for the party - if the weather is good.
Just a quick heads up if you weren't aware - The authorities are trying to minimise attendance this year, so there are no trains and plenty of road closures.had ham said:
My other half was watching a recorded episode in the kitchen whilst I was doing dinner. FFS what an absolute (slow, very, very, very fking slow) piece of st. Wooden actors, a truly st script, crap like this is wrong, the beeb should be embarrassed.
You should at least be in the same room as the TV if you're going to slag it off!king slow) piece of st. Wooden actors, a truly st script, crap like this is wrong, the beeb should be embarrassed.I thought it was ok... nothing special, but interesting to get some background on why they did what they did (we never hear that on Nov 5th!).
Also interested to hear why Kit produced it, what his middle name is, and why.
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