SAS: Who Dares Wins
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When is Ant Middleton going to learn how to swear properly?
I find it almost impossible to watch now as his incessant f’ing drives me up the wall. He uses the word in the wrong place....such as ‘f’ing go and get your packs’ rather than ‘go and get your f’ing packs’.
And I’m sure if this was a real SAS training camp the ‘C bomb’ would be dropped on a regular basis!
I find it almost impossible to watch now as his incessant f’ing drives me up the wall. He uses the word in the wrong place....such as ‘f’ing go and get your packs’ rather than ‘go and get your f’ing packs’.
And I’m sure if this was a real SAS training camp the ‘C bomb’ would be dropped on a regular basis!
Lordbenny said:
When is Ant Middleton going to learn how to swear properly?
I find it almost impossible to watch now as his incessant f’ing drives me up the wall. He uses the word in the wrong place....such as ‘f’ing go and get your packs’ rather than ‘go and get your f’ing packs’.
And I’m sure if this was a real SAS training camp the ‘C bomb’ would be dropped on a regular basis!
It is lamentable and, if I may say so, unimaginative.I find it almost impossible to watch now as his incessant f’ing drives me up the wall. He uses the word in the wrong place....such as ‘f’ing go and get your packs’ rather than ‘go and get your f’ing packs’.
And I’m sure if this was a real SAS training camp the ‘C bomb’ would be dropped on a regular basis!
Anyone can fire out a few f
ks, but it takes real skill and profane dexterity to weave a "piss funnel" or "cock socket" into proceedings.
Digga said:
Lordbenny said:
When is Ant Middleton going to learn how to swear properly?
I find it almost impossible to watch now as his incessant f’ing drives me up the wall. He uses the word in the wrong place....such as ‘f’ing go and get your packs’ rather than ‘go and get your f’ing packs’.
And I’m sure if this was a real SAS training camp the ‘C bomb’ would be dropped on a regular basis!
It is lamentable and, if I may say so, unimaginative.I find it almost impossible to watch now as his incessant f’ing drives me up the wall. He uses the word in the wrong place....such as ‘f’ing go and get your packs’ rather than ‘go and get your f’ing packs’.
And I’m sure if this was a real SAS training camp the ‘C bomb’ would be dropped on a regular basis!
Anyone can fire out a few f
ks, but it takes real skill and profane dexterity to weave a "piss funnel" or "cock socket" into proceedings.V8mate said:
MyVTECGoesBwaaah said:
pingu393 said:
It's a disorientation / "I'm in charge" technique. I agree with you - it is a waste of time doing it and then asking you how are you feeling.
I'd accept it as a wee bit of training for the interrogation phase. The hardest bit is still to come.
Favourite episode that one, find it really interesting seeing how they do it and how they all get on. Don't know if that makes me some sort of psycho I'd accept it as a wee bit of training for the interrogation phase. The hardest bit is still to come.
'It's a TV show; there's no risk of you killing me... not even snipping the end of my little finger off. In fact, you won't even wind me with a sharp jab to the stomach. So excuse me if I'm looking a bit bored during this bit.'
The whole process involves you being cast out, limited clothing, ,food etc and then hunted. The idea though is to let you "run" over a few days so to get you both physically and mentally knackered then if not caught naturally by messing up they will set it up that you walk into the hunter force. Add to that, you are warned you will have the cr*p kicked out of you by the hunter force lads if they capture you so there is no hot coffee and a mars bar in the back of the truck. The idea of the blindfold is to stop you taking in your surroundings if you do escape and the fear that the only sense you really have is touch as you are blindfolded and ear defence put on.
You also stay in certain stress positions as you await for your "chat" with the interrogator(s). Try kneeling, hard floor, not sitting back on your calves with your hands above your head, fingers NOT interlocked. Try it for 5 mins, before you knees give up or you drop your hands.......when you do, you will get a dig from the DS, because remember you cannot hear them or see them.
petop said:
Having been involved with interrogation exercises in the military the way its setup means all those that say they "would beat it" never do. Its called SERE training, Survival, Evade, Resistance & Escape. Part of the training you have those that have been captured and interrogated give talks about what happened.
The whole process involves you being cast out, limited clothing, ,food etc and then hunted. The idea though is to let you "run" over a few days so to get you both physically and mentally knackered then if not caught naturally by messing up they will set it up that you walk into the hunter force. Add to that, you are warned you will have the cr*p kicked out of you by the hunter force lads if they capture you so there is no hot coffee and a mars bar in the back of the truck. The idea of the blindfold is to stop you taking in your surroundings if you do escape and the fear that the only sense you really have is touch as you are blindfolded and ear defence put on.
You also stay in certain stress positions as you await for your "chat" with the interrogator(s). Try kneeling, hard floor, not sitting back on your calves with your hands above your head, fingers NOT interlocked. Try it for 5 mins, before you knees give up or you drop your hands.......when you do, you will get a dig from the DS, because remember you cannot hear them or see them.
I think the point he was getting at more was that you'll 'know' how long you'll be on the show for, so if for instance it's 6 days of filming & you've already done 5, then the longest you'll be doing the baby screaming stuff is 24 hours. (Plus it's televised so they can't kick the sThe whole process involves you being cast out, limited clothing, ,food etc and then hunted. The idea though is to let you "run" over a few days so to get you both physically and mentally knackered then if not caught naturally by messing up they will set it up that you walk into the hunter force. Add to that, you are warned you will have the cr*p kicked out of you by the hunter force lads if they capture you so there is no hot coffee and a mars bar in the back of the truck. The idea of the blindfold is to stop you taking in your surroundings if you do escape and the fear that the only sense you really have is touch as you are blindfolded and ear defence put on.
You also stay in certain stress positions as you await for your "chat" with the interrogator(s). Try kneeling, hard floor, not sitting back on your calves with your hands above your head, fingers NOT interlocked. Try it for 5 mins, before you knees give up or you drop your hands.......when you do, you will get a dig from the DS, because remember you cannot hear them or see them.
t out of you on live TV).I'd imagine in the actual military it's a totally different kettle of fish.
theguvernor15 said:
I think the point he was getting at more was that you'll 'know' how long you'll be on the show for, so if for instance it's 6 days of filming & you've already done 5, then the longest you'll be doing the baby screaming stuff is 24 hours. (Plus it's televised so they can't kick the st out of you on live TV).
I'd imagine in the actual military it's a totally different kettle of fish.
Exactly - and I wasn't diminishing at all the physical oppression of the final round - even on the TV show. That is harsh.t out of you on live TV).I'd imagine in the actual military it's a totally different kettle of fish.
The discussion was about the face-to-face interrogation element - the humiliation; the good cop, bad cop, etc. Contestants should see those sessions as a rest, a chance to recover from the 'nasty room'.
V8mate said:
Exactly - and I wasn't diminishing at all the physical oppression of the final round - even on the TV show. That is harsh.
Agreed. Anyone who thinks that is easy needs to think about how they'd feel with a week's worth of badly interrupted kip, minimal rations (you look how hungry the moles always are) and then couple that to intense physical activity and pretty severe cold. Then start a mock interrogation.I do a fair bit of mountain biking, as I live in some decent hills. Invariably, on rides where it's coldest and most muddy, the first thing you have to do when you get back is wash the bike. No point getting into the house and showered and then coming back out into the cold to get showered with s
te your washing off the bike.On the bike, it is always a compromise - being sufficiently windproof, waterproof and insulated not to get too cold, without overheating and sweating. This normally means that as soon as you end the ride and you are no longer exerting yourself,, you get cold, fast. It's amazing, frightening, how cold you get, to the point you can barely untie laces or even a zip. I have total sympathy for how tough those conditions are for the recruits.
I agree, cold really saps your mental and physical strength.
I've not often been REALLY cold, but the few times I have - Skiing, for example, or when wind chilled in the rain - I've felt exhausted and willing to give up what I'm doing (only the realisation that there's no option, for example, to walking down off a cloud covered hill really keeps you going, aside from curling up and dying from exposure).
Multiply that by a lot of physical duress, hunger and extreme tiredness and, whilst I assume the TV programme is a mere hint at what selection is, you can see why people give up.
In this series the candidates seem to be cold nearly all the time - That sounds like hell.
M
PS I agree about the Ant's swearing - It's like he feels he needs to chuck an F***ing in every 5 words, whether it makes any sense to do so or not, just so you know how F***ing hard he is - Something none of the others seem to need to do...
I've not often been REALLY cold, but the few times I have - Skiing, for example, or when wind chilled in the rain - I've felt exhausted and willing to give up what I'm doing (only the realisation that there's no option, for example, to walking down off a cloud covered hill really keeps you going, aside from curling up and dying from exposure).
Multiply that by a lot of physical duress, hunger and extreme tiredness and, whilst I assume the TV programme is a mere hint at what selection is, you can see why people give up.
In this series the candidates seem to be cold nearly all the time - That sounds like hell.
M
PS I agree about the Ant's swearing - It's like he feels he needs to chuck an F***ing in every 5 words, whether it makes any sense to do so or not, just so you know how F***ing hard he is - Something none of the others seem to need to do...
Edited by marcosgt on Wednesday 22 January 12:14
marcosgt said:
I've not often been REALLY cold, but the few times I have - Skiing, for example, or when wind chilled in the rain - I've felt exhausted and willing to give up what I'm doing (only the realisation that there's no option, for example, to walking down off a cloud covered hill really keeps you going, aside from curling up and dying from exposure).
From about 13/14yrs me and some mates used to get the coach up to the Lakes in the school holidays and walk between YHAs. 20p pieces to 'phone home every night. 
One of these trips, must have been October half term, we walked from what was Derwentwater YHA, up over Maiden Moor and then Dale Head to the Borrowdale YHA. Not far, but there was actually snow up top and irt was cold, so quite physical with packs on. One lad just flipped, right about when we were ready to descend. It was whiteout by then and we were a little lost, but not worried and were in no danger. He just sat down and told us to leave him.
I think it was a combination of fatigue (he was the least fit) and also a bit of fear - of the whiteout - that just sapped any will from him. My mate doubled-up packs to carry two and I had to try and manhandle the stricken lad onto his feet and physically help him down. He was fine once we got down and fine for the rest of the trip. It was the oddest thing and quite frightening to see.
Digga said:
rom aout 13/14yrs me and some mates used to get the coach up to the Lakes in the school holidays and walk between YHAs. 20p pieces to 'phone home every night.
One of these trips, must have been October half term, we walked from what was Derwentwater YHA, up over Maiden Moor and then Dale Head to the Borrowdale YHA. Not far, but there was actually snow up top and irt was cold, so quite physical with packs on. One lad just flipped, right about when we were ready to descend. It was whiteout by then and we were a little lost, but not worried and were in no danger. He just sat down and told us to leave him.
I think it was a combination of fatigue (he was the least fit) and also a bit of fear - of the whiteout - that just sapped any will from him. My mate doubled-up packs to carry two and I had to try and manhandle the stricken lad onto his feet and physically help him down. He was fine once we got down and fine for the rest of the trip. It was the oddest thing and quite frightening to see.
Any deviation from our preferred operating environment (temperature) has quite bizarre effects.One of these trips, must have been October half term, we walked from what was Derwentwater YHA, up over Maiden Moor and then Dale Head to the Borrowdale YHA. Not far, but there was actually snow up top and irt was cold, so quite physical with packs on. One lad just flipped, right about when we were ready to descend. It was whiteout by then and we were a little lost, but not worried and were in no danger. He just sat down and told us to leave him.
I think it was a combination of fatigue (he was the least fit) and also a bit of fear - of the whiteout - that just sapped any will from him. My mate doubled-up packs to carry two and I had to try and manhandle the stricken lad onto his feet and physically help him down. He was fine once we got down and fine for the rest of the trip. It was the oddest thing and quite frightening to see.
For me, cold is fine, but I hate heat. I recall, many decades ago in my teens, I was part of a cadet team in a competitive hike and task thing (about 12 miles with a task every mile or two). Middle of summer; absolutely baking, and we were carrying all our kit. One task was for the team to get through a 30 acre field of corn (or something) where the crop was 5' high, unseen, on the assumption that snipers were over-looking the area. I was already hotter than I was enjoying, but the combination of running, whilst bringing our heads down below the height of the crop, just completely finished me. Half of the field was completed with an oppo hooked under each armpit, frog-marching me to the finish line. And, exactly as you said, dumped on my back at the end of the field, all will was sapped from me. I was convinced that my breathing was permanently damaged
and I couldn't walk another step, so was pulled from the exercise.Of course, 15 minutes later, refreshed and my team long gone (with a penalty for my withdrawal), I was absolutely fine. It was a solid, early lesson in knowing your body and understanding that the end of the world is no-where near as close as you might think
Digga said:
V8mate said:
For me, cold is fine, but I hate heat.
FWIW, you may be a dog. 
IKWYM
The only thing that has diminished with age is poor circulation to my finger tips, so they get so, so cold, very quickly now. Gloves are useless; mittens preferable so that my fingers can snuggle up together
Mountain Rescue here, as you can imagine we often deal with the results of hyper & hypothermia (our team was involved in the three who died on selection not long ago).
The main issue is the tipping point where judgement changes in both. Can be managed if with others that have experience, but if they're on their own or with others in the same boat, it can go South very quickly.
We prefer cold to hot. People can come back from a large temp difference cooler, heat damage is irreversible. Think of frying an egg, the proteins in the whites, once changed cannot be changed back, exactly the same in your body. Leads to organ failure in time, horrible to see.
The main issue is the tipping point where judgement changes in both. Can be managed if with others that have experience, but if they're on their own or with others in the same boat, it can go South very quickly.
We prefer cold to hot. People can come back from a large temp difference cooler, heat damage is irreversible. Think of frying an egg, the proteins in the whites, once changed cannot be changed back, exactly the same in your body. Leads to organ failure in time, horrible to see.
Mothersruin said:
We prefer cold to hot. People can come back from a large temp difference cooler, heat damage is irreversible. Think of frying an egg, the proteins in the whites, once changed cannot be changed back, exactly the same in your body. Leads to organ failure in time, horrible to see.
Mrs Digga is adamant that a bit of exposure to cold is good for you.She usually points this out after she's 'accidentally' left the key on the inside of the back door lock so I can't unlock after an mtb ride.
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