Sajid Javid next PM?

[anonymous-user]

What do people think about Sajid Javid? Seems like a classic Thatcherite maybe providing a more electable alternative to Rees Mogg.

Will or should the conservatives move to the right after the May era? Is adopting a more Thatcherite position a mistake and not where uk elections are now won?

Whilst Corbyn is leader of labour, it probably doesn’t matter but just in case labour manage to overthrow him or form a new party with the one nation conservatives, who is the most electable conservative leader.

Pros for Sajid Javid, seems quite eloquent, positive immigration story, had a job outside politics, aparently happy to speak out over windrush and medical cannabis. Thatcherite alternative to May.

Cons, linked to failed 2016 coup, Thatcherite, might look a bit foreign. Muslim.

[Digga]

TBH I think he'd be pretty good, but then I would like to see him succeed and deliver in his present role too. IMHO it is almost as crucial for a PM to have strength in the cabinet as to be a good PM. He could be a very good ally to May.

[Deptford Draylons]

Seems the best of a mediocre bunch. He was on TV the other week regarding the Windrush deportations and spoke quite clearly and calmly, stating half those deported were done so at the end of prison sentences and weren't gong to be let back in and unwanted here.
When he describes himself as a cultural Muslim, I think that might be code for him being agnostic/ atheist.

[anonymous-user]

Deptford Draylons said:

When he describes himself as a cultural Muslim, I think that might be code for him being agnostic/ atheist.

I think that’s about saying, Muslims can vote for him and the conservatives aren’t racist but non Muslims don’t need to worry about shariah law taking over.

[Zetec-S]

El stovey said:

Whilst Corbyn is leader of labour, it probably doesn’t matter

Strongly disagree, I think the Tories are far too divided and potentially capable of gifting a win to Labour at the next election, especially if Brexit is not handled well...

On the subject of Javid, I don't know too much about him but so far I've been impressed by what he's said, and if he continues as he has started and delivers on what he promises then I think he'd make a good Tory leader or PM.

[Digga]

Zetec-S said:

... if Brexit is not handled well...

Like an argument with an idiot, it simply cannot be handled well. it is, as May well knows (and that spineless gammon Cameron knew when he shirked his responsibilities) a poisoned chalice. It will be impossible to please everyone and very easy to upset many.

[Zetec-S]

Digga said:

Zetec-S said:

... if Brexit is not handled well...

Like an argument with an idiot, it simply cannot be handled well. it is, as May well knows (and that spineless gammon Cameron knew when he shirked his responsibilities) a poisoned chalice. It will be impossible to please everyone and very easy to upset many.

Very true. No matter what they do there will be lots of unhappy parties. I guess what I meant was it will depend very much on just how badly the press crucify the government over the whole process. The end result could easily be a very unpopular Tory government going into the next General Election...

[Halb]

El stovey said:

Will or should the conservatives move to the right after the May era? Is adopting a more Thatcherite position a mistake and not where uk elections are now won?

Whilst Corbyn is leader of labour, it probably doesn’t matter but just in case labour manage to overthrow him or form a new party with the one nation conservatives, who is the most electable conservative leader.

can you extrapolate on the 'Thatcherite', one-nation', moving right bits?

[crankedup]

I want to hear and see much more of the guy under pressure politics before I can make up my mind. At least another couple of years as Home Office Minister.

[zygalski]

9 posts in and nobody has mentioned how inept Diane Abbott is.
Standards are slipping...

[Deptford Draylons]

zygalski said:

9 posts in and nobody has mentioned how inept Diane Abbott is.
Standards are slipping...

Everyone in the land knows it now. Old news

[anonymous-user]

Halb said:

El stovey said:

Will or should the conservatives move to the right after the May era? Is adopting a more Thatcherite position a mistake and not where uk elections are now won?

Whilst Corbyn is leader of labour, it probably doesn’t matter but just in case labour manage to overthrow him or form a new party with the one nation conservatives, who is the most electable conservative leader.

can you extrapolate on the 'Thatcherite', one-nation', moving right bits?

Conservatives have an internal battle in direction between one nation conservatives like May and Thatcherites like Rees Mogg and possibly Javid.

Under May and Cameron the conservatives are a centrist party and winning elections. Many conservatives don’t think these are traditional conservative values and want a more Thatcherite right wing leader and direction.

So I’m asking if this is a good idea having a Thatcherite leader or will it make the conservatives unelectable?

[Digga]

crankedup said:

I want to hear and see much more of the guy under pressure politics before I can make up my mind. At least another couple of years as Home Office Minister.

Sort of what I think. Thus far he seems to be a very safe pair of hands whilst also coming across well in the media which sometimes, even competent operators struggle to do and, annoyingly, a very small number of incompetent operators can manage.

[BlackLabel]

He needs some hair - baldness and high office rarely go hand in hand.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/f...

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/if-th...

https://www.smh.com.au/national/justin-trudeau-and...

[anonymous-user]

BlackLabel said:

He needs some hair - baldness and high office rarely go hand in hand.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/f...

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/if-th...

https://www.smh.com.au/national/justin-trudeau-and...

Gandhi, Lenin, Churchill, Mussolini, Eisenhower, Ming the merciless.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/people...

Im not sure being a baldy is going to stop someone getting elected these days.

[Digga]

BlackLabel said:

He needs some hair - baldness and high office rarely go hand in hand.

I think Trump might be singlehandedly doing quite a lot to alter that trend.

[98elise]

From the little I seen of him he comes across as articulate, intelligent, and gives a straight answer. That's the sort of thing I admire in a leader. He also has the added benefit of not coming across as posh (I've no idea what his background is)

I'd be surprised if he wasn't PM/party leader at some time. Given the current situation it might be sooner rather than later.

[wc98]

El stovey said:

I think that’s about saying, Muslims can vote for him and the conservatives aren’t racist but non Muslims don’t need to worry about shariah law taking over.

i mentioned the possibility of him being pm material on a recent thread. hard to assess whether he is best of a bad bunch or genuinely capable. the next year or so should be a good indicator.

there are plenty on here that would happily see shariah law in the uk. when it comes to acid throwing moped crims and the bloke that cut the hand off the old lady to steal her rings, i think even i would be in agreement with how they would be dealt with under shariah law.

[Biker 1]

Javid seems like a decent chap. I like his mould-breaking style of being forthright in an agreeable manner. His telling it like it is to the Police Federation was a good start.
Out of all the current wannabe tory hopefuls, he looks like a good candidate.
Who would we rather have:

Gove
Boris
JC
May............

[Digga]

My biggest fear, given his apparent competence and popularity is that his career is sabotaged in order to further the interests of a less suitable politician. It happens. Javid would IMHO, be one of the best figureheads the Conservatives could hope for; they don't need any more stuffy, public school types, because that is most certainly limiting their appeal, even if they are individually, competent politicians.