Le Mans ‘66, Ford vs. Ferrari - movie
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At least he didn't "blow his intake manifold "
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Gearshift aside the cgi aspects were pretty good I thought as were the crashes. The Ferraris are still pretty much the most beautiful sports cars of that era, along with the GT40 and later T70. No mention of Ford buying up Eric Broadleys Lola sports car project to conceive the GT40 but how good did the unveil look!
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Gearshift aside the cgi aspects were pretty good I thought as were the crashes. The Ferraris are still pretty much the most beautiful sports cars of that era, along with the GT40 and later T70. No mention of Ford buying up Eric Broadleys Lola sports car project to conceive the GT40 but how good did the unveil look!
Watched it last night in Bicester. A well made film with a good balance of CGI & reality, more importantly although the storyline did plenty of ‘Hollywood detail skipping’ there was enough to keep the interest levels up for car fans and non-car fans alike. Both my wife and step mum enjoyed it!
Tried hard to hold back laughter at the F&F gear changes...but failed!
Tried hard to hold back laughter at the F&F gear changes...but failed!
RicksAlfas said:
I thoroughly enjoyed that, as did my teenage son. It feels like a British film somehow. Lots of quips and comments from Ken Miles, who does sound like Jessie from The Fast Show. Plenty of bits to annoy the rivet counters, but an enjoyable romp with a poignant ending.
The rivet counters.................You've just named my next band project.
Loved the film, almost every scene worthy of poster art work!
I enjoyed it, especially the human side and relationship between Shelby and Miles
Understandable there was some Hollywood embellishment, but the amount factual bits that were wrong was frustrating, and unnecessary.
Miles on the garage floor listening to the race in 65 was possibly the worst, seeing as he co drove a MK11 with Mclaren that year
The other point is that whilst the on track scenes were good, they merely showed just how good the filming of McQueens Le Mans really was. Nearly 50 years ago, no CGI and it's still the best on track footage ever
Understandable there was some Hollywood embellishment, but the amount factual bits that were wrong was frustrating, and unnecessary.
Miles on the garage floor listening to the race in 65 was possibly the worst, seeing as he co drove a MK11 with Mclaren that year
The other point is that whilst the on track scenes were good, they merely showed just how good the filming of McQueens Le Mans really was. Nearly 50 years ago, no CGI and it's still the best on track footage ever
coppice said:
Bale is terrific, and I enjoyed Damon's portrayal too - he sounded like a Texan to me. Most of the racing scenes were risibly dreadful - who knew you changed down and floored it half way down the Mulsanne to overtake? Or that the Ford Mk 2 had a working speedo ? Enzo Ferrari wasn't even there in real life and the portrayal was hopelessly misread as panto villain - he was much scarier than that . ...
If he changed down the revs wouldn't drop... 200Plus Club said:
No mention of Ford buying up Eric Broadleys Lola sports car project to conceive the GT40 but how good did the unveil look!
It's been a few weeks since I've seen it, but they do mention this, don't they? The car is flown over from the UK, I recall thinking they mention the British origin of the cars far more than expected.ukaskew said:
It's been a few weeks since I've seen it, but they do mention this, don't they? The car is flown over from the UK, I recall thinking they mention the British origin of the cars far more than expected.
They say it was flown over from England, but that's its, no mention of it being built by anyone other than FordJust a heads up, Netflix have dusted off the 2016 film "The 24 Hour War" this week and its worth a look.
LM66 is the focus, but it documents the story of Ford v Ferrari from the get go. Its a bit random in places (Hans Hermann's BRM accident at Avus in 1959 is hardly relevant) and it pulls in the 1955 LM tragedy which was a bit unnecessary given the fact that back then Ford were making stodge and Ferrari were a sideshow to Jag and MB. A few too many interviews, including lengthy segments with Mauro Forghieri in Italian - inexplicably with no subtitles.
Offset against this there is some superb footage from 1960's sportscar racing, Cobras, Daytonas, GT40s, P3s, P4s, Chaparral, Howmet etc etc.
Ken Miles has always been a hero of mine and it gives me a buzz that as we approach the 3rd decade of the 21st Century he is currently "trending"....
LM66 is the focus, but it documents the story of Ford v Ferrari from the get go. Its a bit random in places (Hans Hermann's BRM accident at Avus in 1959 is hardly relevant) and it pulls in the 1955 LM tragedy which was a bit unnecessary given the fact that back then Ford were making stodge and Ferrari were a sideshow to Jag and MB. A few too many interviews, including lengthy segments with Mauro Forghieri in Italian - inexplicably with no subtitles.
Offset against this there is some superb footage from 1960's sportscar racing, Cobras, Daytonas, GT40s, P3s, P4s, Chaparral, Howmet etc etc.
Ken Miles has always been a hero of mine and it gives me a buzz that as we approach the 3rd decade of the 21st Century he is currently "trending"....
just watched this today with Mrs I - we both loved it (thankfully - if she'd found it boring I'd have been in trouble 
). Our Cineworld was showing it in the 270° screen which was quite entertaining in this case.
As has been said previously quite poignant in places but you have to wonder why they decided to make Miles stay away from LM '65 for the film.
). Our Cineworld was showing it in the 270° screen which was quite entertaining in this case.As has been said previously quite poignant in places but you have to wonder why they decided to make Miles stay away from LM '65 for the film.
In my opinion as an armchair film critic, Christian Bale delivers an exceptional performance as Ken Miles. All very convincing to me: the voice, the mannerisms, much of the script he was provided (two of the three script writers are English), as well as his lanky frame (Bales lost a couple of stone to play the role).
Similarly, if you've seen photos / video of Carroll Shelby... His voice, his facial expressions, and the manner of his body movements are very much in evidence during the portrayal by Matt Damon. This caught me by surprise and, afterward, I thought: Yes, these men weren't just having a laugh in front of the cameras; they were working.
Ken Miles and Carroll Shelby
scenes from the film
and comparisons found elsewhere online
Similarly, if you've seen photos / video of Carroll Shelby... His voice, his facial expressions, and the manner of his body movements are very much in evidence during the portrayal by Matt Damon. This caught me by surprise and, afterward, I thought: Yes, these men weren't just having a laugh in front of the cameras; they were working.
Ken Miles and Carroll Shelby
scenes from the film
and comparisons found elsewhere online
Edited by unsprung on Sunday 17th November 21:51
I went to see it in the US on a Saturday afternoon showing with 4 other car guys. The cinema was just about sold out. We all really enjoyed it. I agree with what some have posted about the gear changes.
Also agree with others too that Bale played his part really well. The Brummie-esque accent didn't confuse my American friends.
A mother and teenage daughter sat next to us and after the Ken Miles last scenes I could hear the mother sniffling with a few tears!
My vote for playing Shelby went to Vince Vaughn, even if he is more of a comedy guy.
Authenticity question : Was the bit with the brake swap accurate?
Also agree with others too that Bale played his part really well. The Brummie-esque accent didn't confuse my American friends.
A mother and teenage daughter sat next to us and after the Ken Miles last scenes I could hear the mother sniffling with a few tears!
My vote for playing Shelby went to Vince Vaughn, even if he is more of a comedy guy.
Authenticity question : Was the bit with the brake swap accurate?
geeman237 said:
Authenticity question : Was the bit with the brake swap accurate?
Yes, according to the David Hodges book "Ford GT40", brake wear was an ongoing problem because of the weight of the car (1,208kg) and they couldn't physically fit bigger brakes, so Holman & Moody (not Shelby) designed a quick change system for the discs. They could swap the discs in four minutes, as opposed to two minutes for the pads only.My wife has booked us tickets to go and see this at possibly the best cinema in the world (I’m biased) The Regal in Evesham
All very civilised, you can stretch your legs out and people can still walk by, the seat rake is so great that even if an eight foot tall person with a top hat on sat in front of you you would still be able to see.
You can pre order hot food(Pizza, nachos etc)and drinks which are delivered to the table by your seat and if you fancy another Peroni during the performance you just text. The seats are fantastically comfortable and come as standard with cushions. Dual seats (cuddle seats) are available.
A member of staff stands up on the stage prior to the film commencing to thank everyone for coming and to introduce the performance.
And I’m really looking forward to the film!
Quite frankly it doesn’t matter how good the It is because the whole experience is so brilliant
All very civilised, you can stretch your legs out and people can still walk by, the seat rake is so great that even if an eight foot tall person with a top hat on sat in front of you you would still be able to see.
You can pre order hot food(Pizza, nachos etc)and drinks which are delivered to the table by your seat and if you fancy another Peroni during the performance you just text. The seats are fantastically comfortable and come as standard with cushions. Dual seats (cuddle seats) are available.
A member of staff stands up on the stage prior to the film commencing to thank everyone for coming and to introduce the performance.
And I’m really looking forward to the film!
Quite frankly it doesn’t matter how good the It is because the whole experience is so brilliant
geeman237 said:
I agree with what some have posted about the gear changes.
I find it odd that people are upset by the gear changes. For me it was the points where two cars were racing neck and neck next to each other - until one makes the overtake by pressing the throttle pedal all the way to the floor...Neither really detracts from what's a really good film. Not the best car or Le Mans film, but a very good character film.
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