Captain Marvel - March 2019

[Halb]

Guvernator said:

Hmm perhaps I'm thinking of someone else then as I seem to remember another Superman like character in the Marvel universe so just assumed it was a male Captain Marvel.

Not that it makes any odds, I just don't want Marvel ruined with unnecessary SJW agendas like Star Wars has been.

There is a marvel character called HYperion, which is a double/somatype/pisstake of Superman

THe whiff of something, can't say apprehension, that's too strong a word, but there's a hint of something. Larson is a twitter sort (she comes across pretty oak in the trailer), but it's about time, marvek have taken mild flak over no single women heroes, fairly so I reckon. Widow film never happened, She-Hulk isn't owned, neither is Sue Storm or the x-women. So Marvel is one of the few female sorts who could carry a film left. If there's an audience for it, it'll work.
I would like a 'low' budget BW film, along the lines of Winter SOlider or red sparrow. Marvel've raked in such coin, they can afford to experiment. Instead, it looks like perennial losers DC/WB are gonna be mashing the experiment button.

[bstb3]

Halb said:

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I would like a 'low' budget BW film, along the lines of Winter SOlider or red sparrow. Marvel've raked in such coin, they can afford to experiment. Instead, it looks like perennial losers DC/WB are gonna be mashing the experiment button.

To be fair if they took BW down the Red Sparrow route they'd need to be frisking many of us nerds for socks at the entrances to each showing. Ahem. I'd love for that character to get a standalone movie though, she's probably my fave character from all the movies so far - despite the little bit we know about her origins there's still a lot that could be fleshed out (no pun intended).

This first Captain Marvel trailer was a bit subdued, but maybe we are expecting too much now after IW. I really hope that they have learned from the recent past in Star Wars and don't go overboard on marketing female aspect because it could backfire in some quarters. Like Grace mentions in her video, where she comments on the Her to Hero message in the trailer just not being needed, she is right it isn't. Hopefully they focus on making a good movie like we know Marvel can and men and women will flock to it. Its a strong character that happens to be a woman & thats all. Just like Rocket Raccoon is a strong character that happens to be a rabbit - nobody cares if it's well done.

[Halb]

bstb3 said:

This first Captain Marvel trailer was a bit subdued, but maybe we are expecting too much now after IW. I really hope that they have learned from the recent past in Star Wars and don't go overboard on marketing female aspect because it could backfire in some quarters. Like Grace mentions in her video, where she comments on the Her to Hero message in the trailer just not being needed, she is right it isn't. Hopefully they focus on making a good movie like we know Marvel can and men and women will flock to it. Its a strong character that happens to be a woman & thats all. Just like Rocket Raccoon is a strong character that happens to be a rabbit - nobody cares if it's well done.

[Vocal Minority]

Guvernator said:

Hmm perhaps I'm thinking of someone else then as I seem to remember another Superman like character in the Marvel universe so just assumed it was a male Captain Marvel.

Not that it makes any odds, I just don't want Marvel ruined with unnecessary SJW agendas like Star Wars has been.

Damn female leads ruining everyone's good time....

[Guvernator]

Vocal Minority said:

Guvernator said:

Hmm perhaps I'm thinking of someone else then as I seem to remember another Superman like character in the Marvel universe so just assumed it was a male Captain Marvel.

Not that it makes any odds, I just don't want Marvel ruined with unnecessary SJW agendas like Star Wars has been.

Damn female leads ruining everyone's good time....

[Vocal Minority]

bstb3 said:

Its a strong character that happens to be a woman & thats all.

Quite - i do find the whole first site of a pair of tits on a character and some are bleating about PC/SJW etc etc - sort of like a tacit admission that they feel the non-male character can't just be decent in its own right....

bstb3 said:

Just like Rocket Raccoon is a strong character that happens to be a rabbit - nobody cares if it's well done.

reference!

[Guvernator]

Vocal Minority said:

bstb3 said:

Its a strong character that happens to be a woman & thats all.

Quite - i do find the whole first site of a pair of tits on a character and some are bleating about PC/SJW etc etc - sort of like a tacit admission that they feel the non-male character can't just be decent in its own right....

bstb3 said:

Just like Rocket Raccoon is a strong character that happens to be a rabbit - nobody cares if it's well done.

reference!

I knew as soon as I mentioned it that I'd probably made a mistake and some SJW would be along to twist what I said to suit there own agenda.....lo and behold.

[Vocal Minority]

Guvernator said:

Vocal Minority said:

bstb3 said:

Its a strong character that happens to be a woman & thats all.

Quite - i do find the whole first site of a pair of tits on a character and some are bleating about PC/SJW etc etc - sort of like a tacit admission that they feel the non-male character can't just be decent in its own right....

bstb3 said:

Just like Rocket Raccoon is a strong character that happens to be a rabbit - nobody cares if it's well done.

reference!

I knew as soon as I mentioned it that I'd probably made a mistake and some SJW would be along to twist what I said to suit there own agenda.....lo and behold.

Oh stop the silly name calling - The fact of the matter is that you saw a female lead, half remembered something about a male character earlier in the timeline and started jumping up and down and pointing the PC/SJW finger of doom - I just think it's silly that its the first place your mind went.

They came in half way along the Marvell - Captain Marvel comic timeline presumably for the purposes of expediency in the wider plot and the fact that cinematic universe has gone its own way mostly but with nods to the comic books. I imagine they will probably rush the first half and squash it into the establishers for the film.

Anyway - I think the trailer looks alright - maybe the slightly less slick look is a nod to the whole nineties setting. I can't imagine Marvel have skimped - they are rolling in it.

[Halb]

The film with have slightly different origin, Grace has a video, she thinks she has guseed it from thr trailer.

after reading the blurb on Mar-vell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marv...
I reckon I prefer the idea of an alien who chooses to defend earth...but saying that. there is now a much better version available to the mcu

[Spiritual_Beggar]

Guvernator said:

Hmm perhaps I'm thinking of someone else then as I seem to remember another Superman like character in the Marvel universe so just assumed it was a male Captain Marvel.

Not that it makes any odds, I just don't want Marvel ruined with unnecessary SJW agendas like Star Wars has been.

I think Adam Warlock would probably fit that description fairly well.

[Moonhawk]

Vocal Minority said:

Damn female leads ruining everyone's good time....

Yeh - cos Alien, Terminator, Hunger Games etc are all condidered ste aren’t they.

[Vocal Minority]

Another arguement is that they are using the current incarnation (since 2012) to introduce the cinematic universe to the idea that one Marvel character can 'morph' into another - Ms. Marvel into Captain Marvel, paving the way for Winter Soldier into Captain America and so on.


Tony Stark and Steve Rogers are fairly close to running their course as characters in this particular version of the universe IMHO - and of course the whole contracts coming up to their end.

Ragnarok has actually freshened Thor up a bit IMHO

[Vocal Minority]

Moonhawk said:

Vocal Minority said:

Damn female leads ruining everyone's good time....

Yeh - cos Alien, Terminator, Hunger Games etc are all condidered ste aren’t they.

Hunger Games is a bit..... (as a film franchise anyway). I was exagerating for effect there. I know what his arguement was - not about female leads, but about male roles being recast as female for 'SJW' purposes - which is generally silly. However there is plenty of provenance for Carol Danvers as a character and the criticism was made on some half remembered snippet - which in my opinion betrayed a hiont of paranoia on the issue.

Edited by Vocal Minority on Wednesday 19th September 15:39

[Moonhawk]

Guvernator said:

Hmm perhaps I'm thinking of someone else then as I seem to remember another Superman like character in the Marvel universe so just assumed it was a male Captain Marvel.

Captain Marvel was male from the 1960s to the early 1980s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Ma...

[Guvernator]

Vocal Minority said:

Oh stop the silly name calling - The fact of the matter is that you saw a female lead, half remembered something about a male character earlier in the timeline and started jumping up and down and pointing the PC/SJW finger of doom - I just think it's silly that its the first place your mind went.

They came in half way along the Marvell - Captain Marvel comic timeline presumably for the purposes of expediency in the wider plot and the fact that cinematic universe has gone its own way mostly but with nods to the comic books. I imagine they will probably rush the first half and squash it into the establishers for the film.

Anyway - I think the trailer looks alright - maybe the slightly less slick look is a nod to the whole nineties setting. I can't imagine Marvel have skimped - they are rolling in it.

Your second paragraph is pure assumption. Seeing as how Disney pretty much ruined Star Wars with their political posturing and have also bought Marvel, you'll forgive me if I show a slight concern about the fact they have decided to introduce a female Captain Marvel at just this juncture. Now it may well be that was the plan all along and I am jumping to conclusions in which case I apologise for my male chauvinistic tendencies and will go and have a word with myself but at this point I really wouldn't put anything past Disney.

Or you could just label me a reactionary who feels threatened by the slightest mention of a female lead, whatever works for you.

[Vocal Minority]

Guvernator said:

Your second paragraph is pure assumption. Seeing as how Disney pretty much ruined Star Wars with their political posturing and have also bought Marvel, you'll forgive me if I show a slight concern about the fact they have decided to introduce a female Captain Marvel at just this juncture. Now it may well be that was the plan all along and I am jumping to conclusions in which case I apologise for my male chauvinistic tendencies and will go and have a word with myself but at this point I really wouldn't put anything past Disney.

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No it's not, its a fairly logical extrapolation. Carol Danvers has been Ms Marvel since 1968 and Captain Marvel since 2012 in the comics. And Captain Marvel has been one woman or another for nigh on 35 years. It's just merely keeping it current with the comic franchise.

Edited by Vocal Minority on Wednesday 19th September 15:46

[Lucas Ayde]

The trailer really had a somewhat sterile and very subdued feel about it (reminded me of the inhumans trailer)..... Also, a bit of a 'made for TV' look about it, like it could be a Netflix show.

Can't say I'm that impressed but who knows if it will be typical of the final product.

[bstb3]

Just as pure supposition, but maybe the trailer was deliberately toned down? It's 6 months until release - if you go big now then it may be harder to keep interest going when the second trailer is just 'more of the same'. Whereas if the early talk is of 'not so great' then when the second trailer blows people's socks off it may really pick up steam.

Everyone is expecting Marvel stuff to be fully on point from get go now, maybe its better to subvert those expectations a little early and then really hammer it home later.

It could also be things were a little rushed and there is still quite a bit of post production gloss to put on it (thinking especially of the scene on the top of the subway that just looked a bit feeble).

[Guvernator]

Vocal Minority said:

No it's not, its a fairly logical extrapolation. Carol Danvers has been Ms Marvel since 1968 and Captain Marvel since 2012 in the comics. It's just merely keeping it current with the comic franchise.

I have no problem with that or even Feige and the current Marvel creative team deciding they needed to add another female to the roster as the current team is very male heavy, they don't have any top tier female big hitters apart from perhaps Scarlett Witch. BW is a great character but often gets relegated to a sideshow when the real big bad appears so seeing a female lead go toe-to-toe with Thanos would be great, IF it's done for the right reasons.

My worry is I'm not sure if Disney are actually capable of not meddling with stuff and therefore starting to push their own agenda.

[Shakermaker]

Guvernator said:

Your second paragraph is pure assumption. Seeing as how Disney pretty much ruined Star Wars with their political posturing and have also bought Marvel, you'll forgive me if I show a slight concern about the fact they have decided to introduce a female Captain Marvel at just this juncture. Now it may well be that was the plan all along and I am jumping to conclusions in which case I apologise for my male chauvinistic tendencies and will go and have a word with myself but at this point I really wouldn't put anything past Disney.

Or you could just label me a reactionary who feels threatened by the slightest mention of a female lead, whatever works for you.

I think there is a difference between the two though...

The Marvel films are mostly based on existing source material from comic books that have run for decades, in some cases. A few changes have been made to bring storylines into the 21st Century, and some characters have been amalgamated from others, or minor changes. But by and large they are much as you could see them in print 30 odd years ago. There have been female comic characters for a long period of this time, and the time now has come for the MCU to properly introduce one as more than just a side-player.

Star Wars has no such source material to start from in the same way, so the film makers choose the direction they want to go in.