Why can nobody drive in the snow
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The sprinkling today was responsible for two accidents on the way to and from Witney today. People just can’t cope with slippery roads it seems?
I watched as one idiot was locked up and sailed over a mini roundabout, luckily nobody to drive into and several others locking wheels braking for traffic.
The obligatory idiot in a Range Rover was flashing drivers out of the way on the A40, presumably this one day in the South East he could show his cars full potential.
We spend how much on driver education and then don’t bother about low grip situations? Winter tyres should be mandatory for these idiots.
Should be fun up north tomorrow
I watched as one idiot was locked up and sailed over a mini roundabout, luckily nobody to drive into and several others locking wheels braking for traffic.
The obligatory idiot in a Range Rover was flashing drivers out of the way on the A40, presumably this one day in the South East he could show his cars full potential.
We spend how much on driver education and then don’t bother about low grip situations? Winter tyres should be mandatory for these idiots.
Should be fun up north tomorrow
I rather put it down to the fact that we don't get regular enough snow here in the UK for people to get used to driving in it properly.
One or two days a year at most, and in fact, several years where it doesn't snow at all in vast parts of the country, so people can easily go many years without having to do it at all.
One or two days a year at most, and in fact, several years where it doesn't snow at all in vast parts of the country, so people can easily go many years without having to do it at all.
yonex said:
The sprinkling today was responsible for two accidents on the way to and from Witney today. People just can’t cope with slippery roads it seems?
I watched as one idiot was locked up and sailed over a mini roundabout, luckily nobody to drive into and several others locking wheels braking for traffic.
The obligatory idiot in a Range Rover was flashing drivers out of the way on the A40, presumably this one day in the South East he could show his cars full potential.
We spend how much on driver education and then don’t bother about low grip situations? Winter tyres should be mandatory for these idiots.
Should be fun up north tomorrow
Locked wheels on ABS equipped cars or were they old cars? I watched as one idiot was locked up and sailed over a mini roundabout, luckily nobody to drive into and several others locking wheels braking for traffic.
The obligatory idiot in a Range Rover was flashing drivers out of the way on the A40, presumably this one day in the South East he could show his cars full potential.
We spend how much on driver education and then don’t bother about low grip situations? Winter tyres should be mandatory for these idiots.
Should be fun up north tomorrow
But yes I agree, most cannot drive in the snow. I'm not sure we really spend much on driver training either in the UK. And the test is 100% biased to good conditions and nothing ever going wrong.
Your average Jo has no idea what to do when a car slides and often their first experience of a car sliding is in the snow or when they are being involved in an RTI. Skid pad/pan training should really be part of the driving test.
Shakermaker said:
I rather put it down to the fact that we don't get regular enough snow here in the UK for people to get used to driving in it properly.
People in the south of England are rubbish at driving in snow because it snows about once a decade down here. I dare say people who live in the highlands are decent enough at it. kambites said:
Shakermaker said:
I rather put it down to the fact that we don't get regular enough snow here in the UK for people to get used to driving in it properly.
People in the south of England are rubbish at driving in snow because it snows about once a decade down here. I dare say people who live in the highlands are decent enough at it. However my sister, who passed three years later, I don't think she saw snow until 2009. Then we had three heavy winters in a row of it, 2009, 2010, 2011, and then its been pretty rubbish since if memory serves me well. Last year we had a flurry for a couple of days but not enough to make a snowball.
300bhp/ton said:
Locked wheels on ABS equipped cars or were they old cars?
But yes I agree, most cannot drive in the snow. I'm not sure we really spend much on driver training either in the UK. And the test is 100% biased to good conditions and nothing ever going wrong.
Your average Jo has no idea what to do when a car slides and often their first experience of a car sliding is in the snow or when they are being involved in an RTI. Skid pad/pan training should really be part of the driving test.
Driving too fast, no grip with the ABS on/off and locking, no thought to being in a low gear But yes I agree, most cannot drive in the snow. I'm not sure we really spend much on driver training either in the UK. And the test is 100% biased to good conditions and nothing ever going wrong.
Your average Jo has no idea what to do when a car slides and often their first experience of a car sliding is in the snow or when they are being involved in an RTI. Skid pad/pan training should really be part of the driving test.
Totally agree on skid pan training. I think we had three - five days or so last year of snow roads but many more with ice.
We don't get enough snow regularly or for long enough periods for people to become versed in how to drive in it properly....nor do we get enough to really justify running winter tyres, which would cut down on accidents for sure.
Same thing happens when it rains in LA...accidents everywhere.
Same thing happens when it rains in LA...accidents everywhere.
Shakermaker said:
I rather put it down to the fact that we don't get regular enough snow here in the UK for people to get used to driving in it properly.
One or two days a year at most, and in fact, several years where it doesn't snow at all in vast parts of the country, so people can easily go many years without having to do it at all.
It takes some finesse too which is why there will always be some who drive beyond their skill.One or two days a year at most, and in fact, several years where it doesn't snow at all in vast parts of the country, so people can easily go many years without having to do it at all.
Mine drove through snow fine last year and the year before that 
it is about as Winter useful on Summer tyres as a fireguard being RWD, automatic and virtually 2000kg...
Plonking Winter tyres on it and somehow it is absolutely wonderful. I do find being the brand it as well people tend to stay away from it for the fear that it is going to suddenly get out of line.
Saying that I have driven RWD only for a number of years now and the selection of Winter tyres and to an extent Winter biased all season tyres is something I am glad to see. Many of my colleagues though still do not get it...
it is about as Winter useful on Summer tyres as a fireguard being RWD, automatic and virtually 2000kg...Plonking Winter tyres on it and somehow it is absolutely wonderful. I do find being the brand it as well people tend to stay away from it for the fear that it is going to suddenly get out of line.
Saying that I have driven RWD only for a number of years now and the selection of Winter tyres and to an extent Winter biased all season tyres is something I am glad to see. Many of my colleagues though still do not get it...
designforlife said:
We don't get enough snow regularly or for long enough periods for people to become versed in how to drive in it properly....nor do we get enough to really justify running winter tyres, which would cut down on accidents for sure.
There will always be people who don't cope with the conditions, no matter where you are in the world. The news reports last week or so with all the snow in Europe showed loads of car incidents, despite it snowing in places they normally get snow.Same is true even in places like Canada, my Dad and Uncle were over there a number of years back. And despite there being snow on the ground, it hadn't snowed for a few weeks and all roads were clear. They then had about 8" of snow in a few hours (while they were out to dinner in a restaurant). Plenty of road incidents still.
In the UK we have a very high population density and quite literally millions of cars. So the chances of people being unable to drive in the conditions is magnified.
totally agree, but if we had inches of the stuff on the floor for 3 months at a time then people would generally be better at driving in it...not saying it would totally cut out accidents due to the conditions altogether.
I think with that comes hand in hand a road network that is more geared to cope, roads would be cleared faster and there would be more investment in winter condition safety to improve the network...manditory winter tyres, snow ploughs etc etc.
I have years and years of experience in the alps in europe, even after dumps of 3 or 4ft overnight, the main roads are usually clear and driveable by mid morning.
I think with that comes hand in hand a road network that is more geared to cope, roads would be cleared faster and there would be more investment in winter condition safety to improve the network...manditory winter tyres, snow ploughs etc etc.
I have years and years of experience in the alps in europe, even after dumps of 3 or 4ft overnight, the main roads are usually clear and driveable by mid morning.
300bhp/ton said:
Locked wheels on ABS equipped cars or were they old cars?
But yes I agree, most cannot drive in the snow. I'm not sure we really spend much on driver training either in the UK. And the test is 100% biased to good conditions and nothing ever going wrong.
Your average Jo has no idea what to do when a car slides and often their first experience of a car sliding is in the snow or when they are being involved in an RTI. Skid pad/pan training should really be part of the driving test.
Compared to where?But yes I agree, most cannot drive in the snow. I'm not sure we really spend much on driver training either in the UK. And the test is 100% biased to good conditions and nothing ever going wrong.
Your average Jo has no idea what to do when a car slides and often their first experience of a car sliding is in the snow or when they are being involved in an RTI. Skid pad/pan training should really be part of the driving test.
Most people have never really felt a car slide, its scary, the lady over the road has 520D and is terrified of snow, to the point she nearly got shut of it, she got a set of winters instead and was much happier.
Not everyone has dicked about for hours on empty car parks, they dont see it as fun, they see it as unpleasant (but not enough to stop them going to TK Maxx on a Saturday)
It is a couple of days a year at worst, I just avoid travelling if I dont have to as its going to be a clusterf
k and if I do I dont take the useless fat tyred RWD auto, I take the skinny tyred light FWD manual thing, and usually find a carpark to dick about in, still at 48 I cant resist.
Not everyone has dicked about for hours on empty car parks, they dont see it as fun, they see it as unpleasant (but not enough to stop them going to TK Maxx on a Saturday)
It is a couple of days a year at worst, I just avoid travelling if I dont have to as its going to be a clusterf
k and if I do I dont take the useless fat tyred RWD auto, I take the skinny tyred light FWD manual thing, and usually find a carpark to dick about in, still at 48 I cant resist.yonex said:
Shakermaker said:
Compared to where?
I bet a shedload more is spent on SAC? It’s obvious why 
As poor as the driving test might be seen as by some, its a damn sight better than most places in the world as far as I can see.
300bhp/ton said:
Shakermaker said:
Compared to where?
I think Scandinavia generally put more effort into driver training including skid pad time.Although, driver training in Sweden, Finland, Norway etc. is more intensive and in depth than it is in the UK as well.
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