Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[A Winner Is You]

p1stonhead said:

Genuine Barn Find said:

hepy said:

Stop moaning, it was flippin’ great.

Just watched it on Disney Plus, and thought it was up there with Rogue One.

Enjoy for what it is.

After resisting, I watched it last night.

Dreadful - the worst film of the entire saga in my opinion.

As a quick aside, why is it called ‘the rise of sky walker’ The remaining Skywalkers’ all die in the film, so unless the rise part is to do with their ascension to ghost jedi land it doesn’t make sense - Rey is a Palpatine?

I agree that it’s firmly the worst. And I HATED the last Jedi!

I could take positives from Last Jedi, but Rise was just awful. It reminded me of those supercuts where fans cut a whole series of films down to 90 minutes - just felt like a series of scenes cobbled together where plot points are brought up and resolved within minutes, or completely ignored. Say what you will about the prequel trilogy, and boy did they have their faults, but at least they had a consistent storyline.

[JagLover]

gregs656 said:

I was reading about that earlier here - https://cosmicbook.news/disney-resetting-star-wars...

Interesting idea.

What a success they have made of things when this seems to be even considered!

Posting about this on The Rise of Skywalker, but the new trilogy died in TLJ. $4bn spent on acquiring Lucas films and then they entrusted their investment to Kennedy.

[IanH755]

gregs656 said:

I was reading about that earlier here - https://cosmicbook.news/disney-resetting-star-wars...

Interesting idea.

I wonder if the OT fans haven't already been pushed away so far that even something like this wouldn't be enough to bring them back.

I mean lets be honest, the OT fans (of which I'd include myself) aren't getting any younger so its understandable that Lucasfilm needed to get a "new" generation of Star Wars fans hooked, but the way they went about it was just awful. They needed younger fans to get hooked which could be split into two groups -

• Those that needed their parents to take them to the cinema, say 6 to 14.
• Those who were old enough to go alone, say 15 to mid 20's

and Lucasfilm badly misjudged both groups. For example the people who were taking the youngest fans to the cinema (6 to 14) were parents who were OT fans, and those people generally hated The Last Jedi whilst the new generation who were old enough to go to the cinema alone (15 to mid 20's) already liked things like Marvel, which seems to have taken over as this generations "Big Fanbase", so weren't fussed with Star Wars that much.

Even if Ep7-9 had been a massive success however, I just couldn't ever see the fan numbers adding up in a way which made sense for the money paid. Literally the entirety of the "We spends lots of money on Star Wars" fanbase is OT fans, whether for themselves or for toys etc for their kids, and Lucasfilm have gone out of their way to antagonise those OT fans specifically, so it's no surprise all the money has dried up to me.

I think that Star Wars has been critically damaged, almost irreversibly so, with just that tiny small spark of goodwill left being kept alive by The Mandalorian, which proves that there is some tiny spark of life at Lucasfilm. I just hope it doesn't get snuffed out by the upper management at Lucasfilm who might decide to add some extra "studio attention" to Season 2 after they virtually ignored Season 1 and we're caught out by it's success.

Edited by IanH755 on Wednesday 1st July 12:22

[quigonjay]

Just watched the making of documentary

The Skywalker Legacy

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11975230

if you liked the film you will enjoy this.

[Lucas Ayde]

p1stonhead said:

This would be the most insane thing in cinema history if they just deleted them effectively. fking hell it would be a thing to see.

I agree though that to many, at the moment, Star Wars is dead in terms of cinema.

Mandalorian was good though.

Yeah - utter bilge though the Sequel Trilogy was, actually 'erasing' them from the canon timeline is really jumping the shark. They're unfortunately part of the canon now, let them be.

Although you get stunts like that pulled in the comicbook superhero world (and it's still crap, even when done in that context), Star Wars never had that sort of element to it.

Even though I can't imagine there being much interest in the story of the main characters after TRoS, there are still plenty of other stories to be told in that universe, or before the events (like with the Mandalorian). They should just concentrate on doing those other stories in the SW universe and let the bad memories of the Sequel Trilogy just fade away in the public consciousness.

[FunkyNige]

Lucas Ayde said:

Yeah - utter bilge though the Sequel Trilogy was, actually 'erasing' them from the canon timeline is really jumping the shark. They're unfortunately part of the canon now, let them be.

Would most cinema goers even know what 'erasing from the canon' even means? I get it with Star Trek just introducing a new timeline so the old characters didn't have to match up with the old shows but there was a gap of 15 years between Generations and the JJ Abrams Star Trek films so I'm sure most of the people who went to see it in the cinema didn't really have any interest in the Shatner era Star Trek.
To say to the new Star Wars fans that the characters they were introduced to won't be mentioned again would seem a bit of a kick in the teeth?

[robemcdonald]

FunkyNige said:

To say to the new Star Wars fans that the characters they were introduced to won't be mentioned again would seem a bit of a kick in the teeth?

I doubt both of them will be disappointed.

[p1stonhead]

robemcdonald said:

FunkyNige said:

To say to the new Star Wars fans that the characters they were introduced to won't be mentioned again would seem a bit of a kick in the teeth?

I doubt both of them will be disappointed.

I do honestly wonder if they have made any new fans based just on the sequels.

I recently watched the prequels on Disney+ (well had them on in the background more than anything) and I honestly way prefer them to the sequels.

They are a bit crap really, but at least there is a cohesive story across the trilogy that it feels people thought about!

[Bullett]

This thread popped up in my timeline again and it made me realise that I've not bothered to rewatch TRoS even though I have it 'free' on Disney+

My 10yo who would classify himself as a massive Star Wars fan is really only interested in the classic trilogy, Clone wars stuff and the Mandalorian.

[chris watton]

Bullett said:

This thread popped up in my timeline again and it made me realise that I've not bothered to rewatch TRoS even though I have it 'free' on Disney+

My 10yo who would classify himself as a massive Star Wars fan is really only interested in the classic trilogy, Clone wars stuff and the Mandalorian.

The Mandalorian isn't half bad, but the last 4 episodes of the last season of The Clone Wars are terrific!

Edited by chris watton on Wednesday 8th July 19:54

[Fundoreen]

The whole recent thing is like when some fictional dunderhead gets 3 wishes from a magic lamp and squanders them all.
Too late now. The original cast were abused and killed off and died.
You cant put them in anything again.
Why is nobody allowed to make a similar movie series? There must be many excellent books to adapt that are better than the star wars pamplet.
Its just this dross or stupid endless superhero films or the LOTR industry keeping people employed in NZ.

[V1nce Fox]

The whole thing felt like some pitchy talent show singer trying to carry something that was too big for them.

They had a massive open goal and managed to miss it, set fire to it, piss it out and st on the remains.

[Steve vRS]

Fundoreen said:

The whole recent thing is like when some fictional dunderhead gets 3 wishes from a magic lamp and squanders them all.
Too late now. The original cast were abused and killed off and died.
You cant put them in anything again.
Why is nobody allowed to make a similar movie series? There must be many excellent books to adapt that are better than the star wars pamplet.
Its just this dross or stupid endless superhero films or the LOTR industry keeping people employed in NZ.

As I am a top geek, the Thrawn series of books would have made a great film series but that will never happen.

Also, the NZ film industry is dead as the country is essentially closed until CV19 has gone.

[A Winner Is You]

Steve vRS said:

Fundoreen said:

The whole recent thing is like when some fictional dunderhead gets 3 wishes from a magic lamp and squanders them all.
Too late now. The original cast were abused and killed off and died.
You cant put them in anything again.
Why is nobody allowed to make a similar movie series? There must be many excellent books to adapt that are better than the star wars pamplet.
Its just this dross or stupid endless superhero films or the LOTR industry keeping people employed in NZ.

As I am a top geek, the Thrawn series of books would have made a great film series but that will never happen.

Also, the NZ film industry is dead as the country is essentially closed until CV19 has gone.

Shadows of the Empire and Rogue Squadron would have made great films as well.

[Steve vRS]

And Dark Forces. Although Rogue One did a good job of the story about obtaining the Death Star plans.

[g3org3y]

V1nce Fox said:

The whole thing felt like some pitchy talent show singer trying to carry something that was too big for them.

They had a massive open goal and managed to miss it, set fire to it, piss it out and st on the remains.

So a partial success of sorts?

[JagLover]

Fundoreen said:

Why is nobody allowed to make a similar movie series? There must be many excellent books to adapt that are better than the star wars pamplet.

I am more a fantasy fan than a sci-fi one, but yes there are some great sci-fi works out there that would make great movies or TV shows.

I say TV shows because the books in the expanse series aren't particular long books and they got a TV series for each rather than a film.

My favourite recent sci-fi series is the "Commonwealth Saga". It has far greater world building in a few pages than the new Star Wars trilogy had over three films.

[V1nce Fox]

g3org3y said:

V1nce Fox said:

The whole thing felt like some pitchy talent show singer trying to carry something that was too big for them.

They had a massive open goal and managed to miss it, set fire to it, piss it out and st on the remains.

So a partial success of sorts?

[Sophisticated Sarah]

A Winner Is You said:

Shadows of the Empire and Rogue Squadron would have made great films as well.

After the prequel films there were plans for a Rogue Squadron series following Wedge Antilles (set between two of the original films). Sadly never happened

It’s a shame that TLJ exists. The Force Awakens wasn’t brilliant, but set up a new trilogy nicely and introduced new characters which is tough in an existing universe like Star Wars. TLJ took that and fked it over, then chucked the stty covered ball to JJ Abrams to deal with. Considering the suicide pass he received, Rise of Skywalker isn’t that bad. I guess the saving grace is that TLJ was decent enough to kill off Vice Admiral Gender Studies.

[Tony Starks]

Steve vRS said:

As I am a top geek, the Thrawn series of books would have made a great film series but that will never happen.

Also, the NZ film industry is dead as the country is essentially closed until CV19 has gone.

Seeing as James Cameron is filming Avatar 2 here at the moment I'd say you're very mistaken